----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cecilia St�hl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: frequency of breeding & evaluation (long)


> Pat,
>
> I can only speak from what I know of here in Sweden. There is virtually no
> market for unregistered pure bred dogs here and most definitely literally
no
> market for unregistered Berners. I have never seen a Berner litter
> advertised anywhere other than through official channels here, and believe
> me, I look everywhere and often. Maybe it sounds hard to believe, but it's
> the darn truth. The Swedish public in general is well educated as to how
and
> where to look for a pure bred dog, there are no dogs sold in shops here
and
> typically a first time PPO will go to the SKK for a list of registered
> breeders. Even the insurance companies have their policies in synch with
the
> SKK's breeding C.O.E. so that pure bred dogs bred out of wedlock (so to
> speak) are much more expensive to insure.
>
> What may seem strict and foreign to some is completely normal, accepted
and
> expected, sensible practice to others. I can't speak for other breeds but
> not only would a Berner breeder working outside of the rules in this
country
> stick out like a sore thumb, he/she would have a hard time selling his
dogs
> to the public as well as being ostracized by his peers and the Berner
> community. Nor could he/she or any of the pups produced participate in
> competitions, conformation or otherwise.
>
> Pat, I'm sure if you sent an inquiry to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , you could get some
> insight into how many breeders are producing dogs outside the system in
> Sweden, if not exact numbers.
>
> Do you happen to have any concrete numbers on the percentages of renegade
> breeders in other countries with "strict" rules? I would be interested in
> learning more about that.
>
> Cecilia St�hl
> Stockholm Sweden
>
> > Is there any way to find out how many breeders are breeding outside of
the
> club? I know in many European countries with strict club rules like this,
> the percentage of breeders operating outside of the club seems quite high.
> Is there anyway to know?
> >
> > Pat Long (& Luther)
> > Berwyn PA
> >
> >
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