Russ,

> 
> John -- clearly you don't want to have a discussion, so there's no point in
> having a "nondiscussion" with you. I'll find Ravi at the next IETF, and we can
> have an intelligent conversation -- which is apparently only possible when
> you're not in the room.

[JD]  Excellent, sounds like a plan.  So we are done here? 

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