Hi Muthu,

As you mentioned it is straightforward to calculate the BDF in the default DF 
Algorithm by taking the current DF out of reckoning.
It is my personal view that since this is self-evident it need not be 
explicitly stated.
But I will let others decide.


Thanks,
--Satya

From: Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, March 25, 2019 at 8:22 AM
To: "Satya Mohanty (satyamoh)" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" <[email protected]>, 
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [bess] BDF Election in EVPN VPWS Single-Active Multihoming

Hi Satya,

draft-ietf-bess-evpn-df-election-framework also does not describe how the BDF 
is to be calculated for the default DF election algo. Am I missing something?

I think my question still holds:
Though it is straightforward to calculate the BDF by eliminating the DF from 
the candidate list, would an implementation calculating the BDF that way for 
the default DF election algo interoperate without any problem?

Would it be better to update draft-ietf-bess-evpn-df-election-framework on how 
the BDF is to be calculated in general for any DF election algo (including the 
default DF election algo)?
[Satya] IMHO opinion, much as it appears obvious, we cannot say for certain 
that in every future DF algorithm (that may come into existence), the BDF 
computation will always be as simple as taking the current DF (PE) out of 
reckoning and doing the recomputation.

Regards,
Muthu

Best,
--Satya

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 2:46 AM Satya Mohanty (satyamoh) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Muthu,

Yes, the BDF is as per what you have mentioned.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-df-election-framework-09 
formally defines it.

Thanks,
--Satya

From: BESS <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of 
Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Friday, March 22, 2019 at 11:41 AM
To: "Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [bess] BDF Election in EVPN VPWS Single-Active Multihoming

Thanks, Jorge. Need another clarification. RFC 7432 does not describe how to 
calculate the BDF for the default DF algo. Though it is straightforward to 
calculate the BDF by eliminating the DF from the candidate list, would an 
implementation calculating the BDF that way for the default DF algo 
interoperate without any problem?

Regards,
Muthu

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:45 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,

Well, everyone has to support the default DF Alg, based on RFC7432. So that one 
for sure. And in addition there are others that have been implemented. For 
instance, Pref DF election has been implemented by multiple vendors.
Thanks,
Jorge

________________________________
From: Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 10:41
To: Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [bess] BDF Election in EVPN VPWS Single-Active Multihoming

Hi Jorge,

I didn't mean using different algorithms for electing the DF and BFD. I am just 
asking which algorithm is most widely implemented/used for electing the DF 
*and* BDF for EVPN VPWS single-active multihoming.

Regards,
Muthu

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 7:47 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The implementations I know use the same DF Alg for DF election _and_ backup DF 
Election. And I don’t see why you would use something different?
In other words, if you use e.g., Pref based DF Alg, use it for DF and BDF 
elections. Only that the BDF election excludes the DF from the candidate list.

Thx
Jorge

From:BESS <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of 
Muthu Arul Mozhi Perumal <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Friday, March 22, 2019 at 4:23 AM
To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [bess] BDF Election in EVPN VPWS Single-Active Multihoming

While RFC 8214 doesn't recommend any DF election algorithm capable of electing 
the BDF in EVPN VPWS single-active multihoming for deciding the backup PE, any 
feedback on what is(are) the widely implemented/supported DF election  
algorithm(s) by vendors?

Regards,
Muthu
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