Ali:
It is wise to start with the RFC6514 and the draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encapsulation draft. [WG chair hat on] The tunnel-encapsulation draft has passed general WG LC – so it is inappropriate to call for the request to remove these sections. The WG LC that is currently running is whether to remove the “AS” field from the tunnel endpoint field, and replace it with a reserved field. The implementation page is on: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps%20implementations If you wish to provide information on the cisco implementation, you are welcome to add information on the page. I can call for an update to the page from vendors. [WG chair hat off[ [Document shepherd hat on] The issue is during the edits the text from RFC6514 from Eric Rosen was unclear. The text was: It has been suggested that it may sometimes be useful to attach a Tunnel Encapsulation attribute to a BGP UPDATE message that is also carrying a PMSI (Provider Multicast Service Interface) Tunnel attribute [ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6514> RFC6514]. If the PMSI Tunnel attribute specifies an IP tunnel, the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute could be used to provide additional information about the IP tunnel. The usage of the Tunnel Encapsulation attribute in combination with the PMSI Tunnel attribute is outside the scope of this document. Since the text itself was unclear what additional information could be provided, the authors removed it from the draft. As we had not received any feedback about active RFC6514 interactions on the list. [document shepherd off] If you have an implementation of the interaction between the RF6514 and tunnel encapsulation, it would be valuable to provide: a) either a draft specifying the interaction you wish to IDR WG, or b) comments that could replace the original the original text. Since the IDR draft has gone through multiple WG LC and a very complete review from Alvaro – so a quick response would be appreciated. IMHO a draft on the interaction between RFC6514 and the tunnel-encapsulation draft – would be the best thing at this point. Let me know if you are interested in working on such a draft. Sue From: Ali Sajassi (sajassi) [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:54 AM To: Susan Hares; [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: 'Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View)' Subject: Re: IPSec Tunnels and draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn <added [email protected]> Sue, Before getting to the discussions of the three IPsec proposals, there are some elements of draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-17.txt that I can see might have caused some confusions and I’d like to get those sorted out first. The tunnel-encap draft specifies sub-tlv for VxLAN, VxLAN GDP, and NVGRE in sections 3.2.1, 3.2.2, and 3.2.3. I am not aware of any vendor that has implemented these sub-tlvs because the info in these sub-tlv already exist in EVPN routes (e.g., MAC addresses, Ethernet Tags, etc.) which they have implemented it. Therefore, all the vendors that I am aware of use Extended Community defined in section 4.1 along with EVPN routes to signal VxLAN and GENEVE tunnel types. Furthermore, I am not aware of anyone using NVGRE encap! So, as the first step, we should remove these three sections from the draft if there is no objection. Cheers, Ali From: Susan Hares <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 8:30 AM To: Cisco Employee <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: "'Hu, Jun (Nokia - US/Mountain View)'" <[email protected]> Subject: IPSec Tunnels and draft-sajassi-bess-secure-evpn Ali and bess WG: IDR has 3 proposals for IPsec tunnels that impact draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-17.txt. As an IDR co-chair/shepherd, I have been discussing these three drafts (Ali and two other authors sets) to try to find out if we can have one general solutions. The discussion has been very fruitful to point up BGP issues of interoperability, security, privacy, manageability, and scaling. For example, there is a lack of a clear specification between RFC6514 (PMSI tunnel attribute) and the tunnel-encaps draft that specifies how these drafts interoperate. I suspect the bess and idr chairs will need to discuss if tunnel-encaps has to address this point. I wrote up my ideas in draft-hares-idr-bgp-ipsec-analysis-00.txt so the authors could tell me what I misunderstood. You’ll find this draft stops half way. I have the rest of the draft written, but I wanted feedback from all the author teams before sending it out. After hearing some of the details from the authors, I would like to sponsor an IDR interim so we could discuss these issues at length. If you think this is a good idea, please let me know. One other thing… unfortunately, I scheduled a set of meetings for EDT time after IETF meetings this week. Your next response will occur from 11-16 UTC on Wednesday. Cheerily, Sue
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