Is it that the timer is not working, or that paint events are stalled?
Here's a clock program, under jqt:
require'plot'
N=:0.01*i.629
O=: [: j./ 1 2 o./ ]
delay=:6!:3 NB. "sleep"
clock=: [: plot (O N),N*/~0.07 0.11 0.15(*O) 2r24p1 2r60p1
2r60p1*_3{.6!:0 bind ''
delay@1:@clock^:9e99''
That works fine, initially. But if the window loses focus, it stops
updating. But if you use jbreak to regain control you should see a
final update which indicates that it continued to update.
Now... this is not using the timer. But I think it does indicate the
kind of problem you can get into, isolating display update issues.
Thanks,
--
Raul
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't see why form timer will not work when a form does not have input
> focus. You can verify this by running shader together with another demo at
> the same time.
>
> I am unfamiliar with opengl or shading language. Perhaps you can help to
> write a more impressive demo. Thanks.
>
> 01.06.2014, в 0:01, "'Pascal Jasmin' via Beta" <[email protected]>
> написал(а):
>
>>
>>
>> regarding the shader demo, I guess its related to gl_paint only working with
>> active window rather than any bug in the timer code?
>>
>> I will note that its extremely unusual to intend for a form's timer event to
>> get suspended on losing focus, and I'd suggest the demo would be more
>> impressive to see multiple spinning cubes.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: bill lam <[email protected]>
>> To: 'Pascal Jasmin' via Beta <[email protected]>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:27:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Jbeta] [Jprogramming] opportunity to show off jhs or qt
>>
>> I disagree. It would be written differently if intended to run multiple
>> instances.
>>
>> I have difficulty to follow your timer example, in contrast,
>> Joe's is more readable to me. ymmv.
>>
>> Сб, 31 май 2014, JBeta написал(а):
>>> There is a bug in the shader demo. When you launch 2 instances only the
>>> window with mousefocus gets timer events.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to Joe, here is a class that allows "formless timers". It can be
>>> coinserted into another locale (renaming new if name conflict). kill works
>>> without needing stop. the stop,resume,kill verbs can be copied into a "
>>> real form" locale, as long as it holds/sets a form variable, and probably
>>> provide more reliable way to stop/resume timers from multiple form
>>> instances.
>>>
>>> cocurrent 'timer'
>>> create =: 3 : 0
>>> form=: 'a', (> 18!:5 '')
>>> wd 'pc ' , form
>>> resume y
>>>
>>> )
>>> stop =: 3 : 0
>>>
>>> wd 'psel ' , form
>>> wd 'ptimer 0'
>>> )
>>> resume =: 3 : 0
>>> wd 'psel ' , form
>>> wd 'ptimer ', ": y
>>> )
>>> kill =: 3 : 0
>>> wd 'psel ' , form
>>> wd 'pclose'
>>> codestroy ''
>>> )
>>> timerexample =: 3 : 'smoutput (> 18!:5 '''') ,'': '', ": (6!:0) '''''
>>> loc_z_=: (,&'_'@[ ,&'_'@, ":@>@])"1 0
>>>
>>> new =: 3 : 0
>>> '' new y
>>> :
>>> o =. y conew (> 18!:5 '')
>>> if. 0=#x do. x =.'timerexample' loc o end.
>>> ('a', (> o), '_timer__o') =: 3 : (x , ' ''''')
>>> o
>>> )
>>>
>>> a =. 'smoutput (> 18!:5 '''') ,'': '', ": (6!:0)' new_timer_ 5000
>>> b =. new_timer_ 6000 NB. uses locale's timerexample
>>> (overridable) as callback
>>>
>>>
>>> kill__a ''
>>> stop__b ''
>>> resume__b 3000
>>> kill__b ''
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Joe Bogner <[email protected]>
>>> To: Pascal Jasmin <[email protected]>
>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 5:46:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] opportunity to show off jhs or qt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can use 'wd psel' to set the current form instance which is then used
>>> by 'wd ptimer 0'
>>>
>>> NB. run two timers
>>> NB. works on j802 beta from 5/28
>>> wd 'pc c'
>>> wd 'ptimer 1000'
>>>
>>> c_timer =: 3 : 'smoutput@:<''c'';(6!:0) '''''
>>>
>>> wd 'pc d'
>>> wd 'ptimer 1000'
>>>
>>> d_timer =: 3 : 'smoutput@:<''d'';(6!:0) '''''
>>>
>>> wd 'psel c'
>>>
>>> wd 'ptimer 0' NB. stop c
>>>
>>> wd 'psel d'
>>>
>>> wd 'ptimer 0' NB. stop d
>>>
>>> wd 'psel c'
>>> wd 'ptimer 1000' NB. resume c
>>>
>>>
>>> determined from source:
>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/download/j802/qtide/jqt-source.tar.gz
>>>
>>> A tip I used while testing is to use f8 to paste from keyboard. This keeps
>>> the output from interfering with the input
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Pascal Jasmin <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> skipping the pshow command,
>>>>
>>>> I can get both of your timers to run, but can only get one of them to
>>>> stop. It appears as though
>>>> wd 'ptimer xx' affects the most recent wd 'pc X' command, so for instance,
>>>> this sequence of commands:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> c_timer =: 3 : 'smoutput@:<''c'';(6!:0) '''''
>>>>
>>>> d_timer =: 3 : 'smoutput@:<''d'';(6!:0) '''''
>>>> wd 'pc c'
>>>> wd 'ptimer 6000'
>>>> NB. runs as expected
>>>> wd 'ptimer 0' NB. stops as expected.
>>>> wd 'pc d'
>>>> wd 'ptimer 6000' NB. runs only d
>>>> wd 'pc c'
>>>> NB. still runs only d
>>>> wd 'ptimer 6000' NB. will run both on independent timers
>>>>
>>>> wd 'timer 0' NB.only stops C
>>>> wd 'pc d'
>>>> wd 'timer 0' NB. still d won't stop.
>>>>
>>>> erase 'd_timer' NB. stops d
>>>>
>>>> using pshow and pclose doesn't change the result.
>>>>
>>>> it turns out that I can get my object instance timers to also run, but
>>>> have the same problems stopping them... except its worse due to difficulty
>>>> setting timer off.
>>>>
>>>> a =. 6000 conew't'
>>>> b =. 7000 conew't'
>>>> runs both ok.
>>>> stop__a '' NB. stops b... the last pc command.
>>>> kill__b '' NB. runs ok apparently. But does not stop a timer
>>>>
>>>> cannot run stop__a '' or kill__a '' effectively. erase 'a' does nothing.
>>>> Quitting J is easiest, even this direct command fails
>>>>
>>>> kill_0_''
>>>> |pclose : no parent selected: wd
>>>>
>>>> though this works: (where 0 is first locale...one part of smoutput)
>>>> erase 'a0_timer_0_'
>>>>
>>>> _________________________
>>>> From: Joe Bogner <[email protected]>
>>>> To: Pascal J <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:20:26 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] opportunity to show off jhs or qt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [off list]
>>>>
>>>> Hey Pascal, did you try the code that I posted with multiple timers? That
>>>> worked for me... I didn't run yours but perhaps it's something with the
>>>> locales... Just wanted to check first to see if you were successful with a
>>>> more basic implementation of multiple timers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:00 PM, 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> thank you Bill and Joe, with new version it works. Also wd 'pshow' is not
>>>> necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> multiple timers may not work though.
>>>>>
>>>>> cocurrent 't'
>>>>> create =: 3 : 0
>>>>> ('a', (> 18!:5 ''), '_timer') =: 3 : 'smoutput (> 18!:5 '''') ,'': '', ":
>>>>> (6!:0) '''''
>>>>> wd 'pc ' , 'a', (> 18!:5 '')
>>>>> resume y
>>>>> )
>>>>> NB. a_timer =: 3 : 'smoutput (> 18!:5 '''') ,'': '', ": (6!:0) '''''
>>>>> stop =: 3 : 0
>>>>> wd 'ptimer 0'
>>>>> )
>>>>> resume =: 3 : 0
>>>>> wd 'ptimer ', ": y
>>>>> )
>>>>> kill =: 3 : 0
>>>>> wd 'pclose'
>>>>> codestroy ''
>>>>> )
>>>>>
>>>>> a =. 4000 conew 't' NB. will start timer
>>>>>
>>>>> stop__a '' NB. will stop timer
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> ┌─┐
>>>>> │1│
>>>>> └─┘
>>>>>
>>>>> ] b =. 4000 conew 't' NB. will start new timer ... replacing old.
>>>>> ┌─┐
>>>>> │2│
>>>>> └─┘
>>>>> NB. you will see that only timer from b runs. resume__a 2000 will run
>>>>> the timer from b. This error will repeat if you create a 3rd instance.
>>>>> Only timer from last instance runs, even though they all have different
>>>>> "forms" a1 and a2. stop__a '' will stop the timer even if only b is
>>>>> running.
>>>>>
>>>>> a1_timer__a '' NB. a1 comes from using the locale number for variable a
>>>>> 1: 2014 5 30 22 28 48.138
>>>>>
>>>>> a2_timer__b '' NB. a2 comes from using the locale number for variable
>>>>> b
>>>>> 2: 2014 5 30 22 29 17.594
>>>>>
>>>>> If you kill either a or b, then resume__a 3000 will fail, as both "forms"
>>>>> are killed.
>>>>>
>>>>> resume__a 3000
>>>>> |ptimer : no parent selected: wd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps this is related to my poor understanding of how to run multiple
>>>>> copies of a form?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Joe Bogner <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 9:21:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] opportunity to show off jhs or qt
>>>>>
>>>>> Pascal, you need to update to the latest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Engine: j701/2011-01-10/11:25
>>>>>
>>>>> Library: 8.02.06
>>>>>
>>>>> Qt IDE: 1.1.2/5.3.0
>>>>>
>>>>> Platform: Win 32
>>>>>
>>>>> Installer: J802 install
>>>>>
>>>>> InstallPath: c:/users/joe/j802
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This works on the latest
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NB. run two timers
>>>>>
>>>>> NB. works on j802 beta from 5/28
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'pc c'
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'pshow' NB. shows empty form
>>>>>
>>>>> wd :: empty 'ptimer 1000'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> c_timer =: 3 : 'smoutput@:<''c'';(6!:0) '''''
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'pc d'
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'pshow' NB. shows empty form
>>>>>
>>>>> wd :: empty 'ptimer 1000'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> d_timer =: 3 : 'smoutput@:<''d'';(6!:0) '''''
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This worked on the previous
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NB. worked previous j802 beta
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'pc a'
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'cc g opengl version 2.0 flush'
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'pshow' NB. shows empty form
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'set g timer 1000'
>>>>>
>>>>> a_g_timer =: 3 : 'smoutput@:<''a'';(6!:0) '''''
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'pc b'
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'cc g opengl version 2.0 flush'
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'pshow' NB. shows empty form
>>>>>
>>>>> wd 'set g timer 1000'
>>>>>
>>>>> b_g_timer =: 3 : 'smoutput@:<''b'';(6!:0) '''''
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was stuck on it too
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 9:12 PM, 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Engine: j701/2011-01-10/11:25
>>>>>> Library: 8.02.06
>>>>>> Qt IDE: 1.1.1/5.3.0
>>>>>> Platform: Win 64
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: bill lam <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 8:12:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] opportunity to show off jhs or qt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what is your JVERSION ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 31.05.2014, в 8:03, "'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming" <
>>>>>> [email protected]> написал(а):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the shader demo works. cube rotates, etc...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> when I try those 3 lines from the base locale (jqt802 console session),
>>>>>> the error shown occurs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: bill lam <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 8:00:24 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] opportunity to show off jhs or qt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> did the cube rotate? did you test on the latest j802/jqt beta?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 31.05.2014, в 7:48, "'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming" <
>>>>>> [email protected]> написал(а):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from base,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wd 'pc a;' NB. or 'pc a'
>>>>>>>> wd 'pshow' NB. shows empty form
>>>>>>>> wd 'ptimer 2000'
>>>>>>>> |ptimer : parent command not found: ptimer: wd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a_timer_base_
>>>>>>>> 3 : 'smoutput@:(6!:0) '''''
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is this something related to base locale?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> shader demo works ok.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: bill lam <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 6:40:53 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] opportunity to show off jhs or qt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You didn't even create a form. To recap, a form is created using wd cmd
>>>>>> eg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wd'pc foo'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the locale of a form is the current locale when that wd'pc foo' is
>>>>>> executed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 31.05.2014, в 0:49, "'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming" <
>>>>>> [email protected]> написал(а):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sorry for previous message, was running timer and not ptimer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It does not appear as though you can get a timer into an arbitrary
>>>>>> locale by just doing wd 'pc a' there. The form has to be visible, or
>>>>>> needs
>>>>>> an initial show?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 12:23:37 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] opportunity to show off jhs or qt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nice, thank you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can also use a timer in any arbitrary locale (I think)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a_timer_ =: show_base_
>>>>>>>>> wd_a_ 'timer 2000'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> aa =. conew 'a'
>>>>>>>>> wd__aa 'timer 2000'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> acts a little weird with just one plot window, but that might be plot
>>>>>> related?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: bill lam <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> To: 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:19:17 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] opportunity to show off jhs or qt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh sorry! I thought ptimer was documented but not yet. Basically
>>>>>>>>> it is very simple, if your form id is 'foo' then the name of the
>>>>>>>>> timer callback verb is 'foo_timer' in the form's locale. Each form
>>>>>>>>> has its own timer. wd'ptimer xx' will start or stop timer attached
>>>>>>>>> to the current form. Unlike the old wd timer, form timers will not
>>>>>>>>> break existing code. In qt shader demo, the cube is rotated by a
>>>>>>>>> form timer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Пт, 30 май 2014, jprogramming написал(а):
>>>>>>>>>> good news about wd 'timer' for forms. A wishlist would include a way
>>>>>> for minimal library load for jconsole support.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see it mentioned here though
>>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/System/ReleaseNotes/J802
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I did see that the timer qt demo app has been updated, but its hard
>>>>>> to understand without a "qtdemo form"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> there is no mention of wd 'ptimer' here:
>>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Guides/Window%20Driver/Command%20Reference
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: bill lam <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:08:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] opportunity to show off jhs or qt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sleep will halt current thread, not a feature of jqt. One can
>>>>>>>>>> use wd'timer' to fire event. Furthermore J802 introduce form timer
>>>>>>>>>> for each form, see high-lights.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Пт, 30 май 2014, Raul Miller написал(а):
>>>>>>>>>>> I made the hour hand be a 24 hour hour-hand. To make it the more
>>>>>> typical 12
>>>>>>>>>>> hour hour-hand, change 2r24p1 2r60p1 2r60p1 to 2r12p1 2r60p1 2r60p1.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And the window freezing issue is a "feature" of jqt. To avoid that
>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>>>>>> with current versions of jqt, always close (or position) the plot
>>>>>> window
>>>>>>>>>>> before starting the clock.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Raul
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Jan-Pieter Jacobs <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice!
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried your code in JQT (on windows 8), some remarks:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The hour hand is pointing about the exact oposite direction it
>>>>>> should.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Somehow, switching windows also causes the plot window to freeze,
>>>>>> and J to
>>>>>>>>>>>> become unresponsive
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Pieter
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-05-30 3:18 GMT+02:00 Raul Miller <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's another approach (beware of email induced line wrap in
>>>>>> definition
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> show):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> N=:0.01*i.629
>>>>>>>>>>>>> O=: [: j./ 1 2 o./ ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay=:6!:3 NB. "sleep"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> show=: [: plot (O N),N*/~0.07 0.11 0.15(*O) 2r24p1 2r60p1
>>>>>> 2r60p1*_3{.6!:0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bind ''
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> show@delay@1:^:9e9''
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this should work with both jqt and the j602 ide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:39 PM, David Lambert <
>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Draw_a_clock#J
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next author need only replace the draw dyad, or rewrite the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x is the current session time, y is the session time when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verb
>>>>>>>>>>>>> starts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> round=: [: <. 0.5&+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PICTURES=: u:16b2190+i.4 NB. arrows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draw=: [: smoutput PICTURES ((|~ #)~ { [) [: round -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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