I don't think it fair to say the installer requires more care than the 601
tar and sudo.
If the user accepts defaults and keeps typing c things are pretty simple.
The only complication is if the user insists on setting a different folder
and even that is about as simple as it can be.
Your suggestion is interesting. But on reflection I don't see that it is any
simpler.
The user I care most about is the the one that is completely new to J.
Suggestions on how to make the current shell script better for thhe new user
are most welcome.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oleg Kobchenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Beta forum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 4:48 PM
Subject: [Jbeta] Installer interface
The new interactive installer is interesting. However, it requires
more care from user and creator, more places to make checks.
Alternative could be traditional command-line tool:
- run first time without parameters, shows help
- run with destination folder parameter, does install
Oleg
On Sep 28, 2007, at 20:24, "Eric Iverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
re: chmod required. I have made a change and wonder if you could try this
again. That is, remove everthing and start over and do the download again.
This time you may not require the chmod or you may simply run into other
problems (downloading a file that is executable).
Does the shell script installer really feel so much more ancient than the
previous tar/sudo/etc steps?
What would you recommend instead? I know there are options on the Mac, but I
don't think there are easy options on Linux and at least for now I want to
keep them the same. J is a program developers tool, not and end user app. If
someone provided a complete and easy installer customized for the Mac that
was dead easy for us to use I might take a look.
I know that Java distributes as a bin shell script for Linux and Mac. They
also support other formats such as rpm and something Mac specific but I
don't think we can get into packaging options. I kind of like the openness
of the shell script.
The default location is ~/jsoftware/j602 not ~/j602 but I guess you would
consider that to be even more obtrusive.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joey K Tuttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Beta forum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Jbeta] test
At 18:19 -0400 2007/09/28, Eric Iverson wrote:
J602 betas are available.
First comment about install in OS 10.4.10 --
Strange/weird - (compared to any other application I've seen)
chmod +x was indeed required. Or alternatively, "sourced" as -
iMg5:~/Desktop jkt$ . ./j602abeta_mac_powerpc.bin.sh
Strange to be in a /bin/sh dialog - feels so "last century..."
Nice that I can direct to install someplace less intrusive than
~/j602 (thanks for that)
Interesting changes in profile.ijs (I haven't searched for
more information about multi-user installations - but that
sounds promising.
More later I'm sure...
- joey
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