>BS. the two i named were that the scanner doesn't pick up changes, >(without a full clear and rescan) thats a BUG, and i don't care if you >don't agree with such an obvious thing. > Of course that's a bug - I raised it! But, there's no faulty logic, design, non-de facto standards, voodoo, whatever you want to moan about - just a bug that in some situations, a scan for changes to files doesn't always work. A full rescan always works, so the logic for how scanning works is generally good.
>the other was that if you have "Various Artists" as a string your music >DISAPPEARS! thats a BUG, OBVIOUSLY. > Yes, but caused because tags aren't right; it's a symptom, not a cause. I'm not saying its not a bug, but if tags were set more meaningfully, there wouldn't be a problem. I mean how often are there albums by "Various Artists" that are not compilation albums? >for instance, i should be able to sort via any tag i want. i should be >able to turn artwork on or off from anywhere. What you are talking about is a richer UI; these things are not bugs, but enhancement requests. The scanner works, the DB holds the information, there's no back-end issue. In fact, third-party plugins have already implemented these things - Try Moose or Erlands CustomBrowse plugin for a new world of browsing options. >i should have more options to define what is and isn't a comp then just the VA >logic or >explicit comp tags. > There are already two ways of doing it, which I won't explain again. It really is simple. How many options are there in WinAmp for defining what is and isn't a comp? >BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, SC needs to respect de facto standards > Give me a break - what de facto standard do you believe it doesn't follow now? SC covers more file format, tag types, standards than anything else that I am aware of. >the INDISPUTABLE FACT that many tagging sources ALWAYS fill in "album >artist" comp or not. > Well, I dispute that. Using Mp3Tag for example, which is the de facto tool around here for tagging music, it looks up metadata from FreeDB, Amazon or Discogs.com, and doesn't, retrieve album artist tag data. Anyway, so what? SC can be set up to read the tag if it's there, and works if it's not. >what bothers me about your opposition is that i don't think doing all >this would impact you in the slightest! i think more flexability for >others would not mean a break with how it works now. its just a matter >of options. > Developers are very anti adding new options, because they believe there's too many for new users to get their head around. I generally disagree, but agree to some extent. How options are presented is more important (show basic ones, hide advanced options, etc). Some changes could also break third-party plugins. Having more options will always complicate the code, support, documentation, maintainability, and ultimately make the software more likely to fail. I also believe that the developer efforts can be more wisely spent on other areas that need more work. If there were enough users complaining about the state of their library and they weren't explainable through currently available options or tagging, the developers would have made changes by now. The scanning code has mainly been left untouched, and generally the vast majority of users are content. >> How many of those people don't understand tagging in general; don't >> understand how other applications treat their tags. How many other >> applictions have good forums like this one? >> What is the percentage - how many people do understand tagging and >> think what we have is great? > >so only those that think SC is great understand tagging? seems kind of >chicken/eggish don't you think? not to mention elitist. > Twisting the meaning of my words. What's the ratio between content/unhappy customers? How many would benefit from changes? How many with tagging issues have a perfect library in another app? WinAmp doesn't support compilations; even iTunes has that. So someone who has compilation issues in SC doesn't in WinAmp, because it doesn't support them at all. That doesn't mean that SC is wrong. >SC should be trying to get customers, not proselytize the word of >phil. > SC ARE getting customers, and not because of the word of Mr Sinatra. >how many people try it, think its 'naff,' and never bother to post? > How many people try it, love it, and never bother to post? >what i think makes no sense at all is this attitude that 'IF you want >to use SC/slim stuff, then frankly, do it our way or its the highway.' > There are many supported ways, not one. >far better would be, 'we're flexible and in most cases can be made to >work EASILY with your existing data.' > They are flexible, and probably do make that claim. >i do NOT want every artist mismatch WITHOUT an album artist tag to end >up as a comp, b/c in many cases it isn't a comp, (like the duets >example). > But you keep reminding us that everything in the world always sets an album artist tag, so surely all your albums do have an album artist tag, and therefore you don't have a problem. Again I ask you what you believe SC scanner should do if there's a duets album without comp and album artist tags? You say you want to turn off auto VA processing, but how would you want that album to be stored? What artist would the album be listed under? Some people physically store their music in a strict artist/album/songs folder structure, so the album songs may not even be together. Just how do you expect it to function? >further, i don't want SC to blindly call all comps AA = "Various >Artists" and stick them all in a category of the same name. > Then give them a different album artist name. >i don't know if comp tags over-ride having an AA tag, as to where it >sorts or what SC populates the AA field with. If a comp tag is set, the album is always a compilation. If an album artist tag is also set, that album would be listed under that album artist name, and it would be indicated as a compilation. So you can have a compilation album by "Soundtrack" if you really want it, no problem. Of course, compilation tag isn't really required, because the album artist will keep the tracks together under one artist name. >but i don't want to use comp tags anyway, if i can avoid it. Why? >why can't i specify directorys and say to SC "consider all these comps, but >don't let it affect the sort"? > How would that work cross-application? Is that one of your de facto standards? SC should work on tags, not directory path/file names. >a lot of apps NEED an album artist tag FOR COMPS, (like winamp & WMP >among others), so right there, right off the bat, SC is in conflict with >apps MUCH BIGGER than it. (not to mention the gracenotes and other auto >taggers of the world) > You want options: Album artist tags are OPTIONAL in SC. SC works with or without. SC is not in conflict with anything. _______________________________________________ beta mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
