MrSinatra;496013 Wrote: 
> 
> if i was logitech, i'd be looking to create a new paradigm.  basically
> i would have three boxes: a server only box, a client only box, and a
> combo server/client box.  all these boxes would support local video and
> all of them would support video services like netflix, as well as the
> audio/audio services SBS supports now.
> 
> i would consider stopping to support all these different platforms, and
> support only my box, as that would create direct revenue streams tied to
> server development.  it would still be open source, a linux based box,
> but the hardware is the key, and having a defined benchmark hardware
> wise could only aid in server development.
> 
> in any case, if logitech wants to sell more, the ONLY way they can do
> that is to add more.  video is the logical next step.  simply making the
> audio features better, is not likely imo, to move a single SB more (to
> new customers).
> 
And what would be the advantage compared to other competing audio+video
devices ?
As Jim mentions, there are other competing devices that already do this
and they do it with a single box.

I'm pretty sure a solution with three different kind of boxes would be
be more expensive to develop and create compared to the all in one boxes
by the competitors that have similar features. So it will be hard to
compete with the price with a setup like this and I personally believe
price is very important in the mass market segment. Possibly a cheap
client device could make it competitive for users that want audio+video
in several rooms, the question is just how many users in the mass market
segment that's in this group ? I think there are a lot more people that
want the same audio in several rooms compared to the number of people
that want the same video in several rooms.

Another question is how much similarities there are between streaming
video and streaming audio. I don't have enough knowledge myself to say
for sure, but there might be too much differences so it's hard to reuse
any knowledge from the current Squeezebox. My video usage is typically
to turn on the video and watch it for at least 30 minutes before I touch
the remote or user interface again, this is completely different
compared to my usage of a audio device where the remote control is used
a lot more. 

I personally think it will be a lot harder to compete in the
audio+video segment than the only audio segment, but Logitech is used to
the audio+video segment so they might have some advantage due to this.
They question is just how much the current Squeezebox knowledge is worth
in this market segment.

MrSinatra;496013 Wrote: 
> 
> just in case i was unclear, i certainly did not mean that i thought you
> had left "the community" and i'd be very sad if you did.  what i meant
> is that given how frustrating developing for it as a 3rd party dev has
> been for you, i'm surprised you'd want to start this conversation given
> that its much more broad and intense and even more likely to be ignored.
> ie. if they aren't listening regarding your 3rd party concerns, what
> chance is there they will listen to anything said here, a much bigger
> topic?
> 
They might listen even though they don't comment it officially. As you
saw in the other thread, there were at least one Logitech employee that
said he had read all the posts even though he just posted once in the
end.

I didn't start this thread to get any comments from Logitech, I started
it to try open some eyes so people start to realize that supporting more
formats and streams might not be enough to compete in the future.
Logitech really need to take the next step, else the competition will
catch up. 

Historically I think a lot of the creativity has been introduced
through third party development while Logitech/SlimDevices has focused
on the basics. I'm not trying to degrade the work done by
Logitech/SlimDevices, the basics is often the hardest part and it has
too be in place for the rest to work. I'm just saying that I really
think some creativity regarding new features is needed to make the
product line survive, simply supporting the basics will make it really
hard to make it attractive compared to competing products. I think we
need more than a device that can play your music, it got to enhance your
music listening experience.

I don't believe in being silent and hope that someone will do the right
thing, it's better to try to say what you think and let someone else
decide if it's worth listening or not.


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