One final note regarding Linux for less wealthy people: I think it's safe to assume that a lot of these people share a computer; be it within their family or within a broader community. I don't have any numbers for this, but making a blanket statement saying everyone has that option seems a bit too biased from our perspective imho.
Regardless, this discussion has been had many, many times before and I've made my point, so I'll go back to lurking for now. ;) -Patrick > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:25:30 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support > > Find me someone that used Blender on a linux distro one year long > without solving several problems with the command line. > > Still today, the Linux distro which is seen as the most user-friendly: > https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/30c7ig/nvidia_drivers_not_working_with_linux_mint/ > http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/153040/amd-drivers-make-linux-mint-17-cinnamon-crash > https://nautilusmode.com/2015/08/09/how-to-install-krita-on-linux-mint-17-2/ > http://www.webupd8.org/2015/11/install-gimp-2816-in-ubuntu-or-linux.html > > Dataloss on the most stable Linux Distro: > https://access.redhat.com/solutions/369383 > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29162 > > And this are just some quick googling results. You can find much better > ones. > > All the solutions proposed use the command line. I used Linux for more > than 10 years. Not a single year I could get all my apps and drivers in > their latest version without googling, posting on forum and using the > command line. Not speaking about the fun due to conflicts in the > libraries when you add to many repos, breaking other pass, etc. > You can of course still believe that the 8% of Blender user under Linux > is due to people using the version 2.69 of Blender that is in their repo > or that all graphic artists on Linux have the time and skills to > compile Blender themselves. On Windows, you download, double click the > installer or just unpack the archive and it just works. > Note that I would be happy to see Linux as a serious alternative, but > it's still reserved to a small passionate community due to the final > polish not being done. 95% is there, but time is spend compiling the > same program 100x times for the 100s of distros and making 10 > alternative of a video/music player/text editor/whatever, helping to > post command line solutions on 20 different forums instead of fixing > upstream once and for all. Creating new file systems with hash > collisions leading to security risk and data loss (BtrFS). In 2015 not > supporting NTFS completly (https://wimlib.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4). > And most people on earth can't afford a new PC every 10 years. > > On 30/01/2016 15:25, Knapp wrote: > > If your computer is so old that it is running XP then you will have > > problems with most advanced features that expect you to have a powerful > > computer. If the XP users really must use his old computer and he wants new > > features that are not supported and he has internet then he can download a > > new and modern Linux lite distro and run the newest Blender. It is not like > > we are even locking out poor people by dropping XP support. > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:15 AM, Martijn Berger <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Mike, > >> > >> I am pretty sure it either works or can be made to work pretty easy. > >> > >> Martijn > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Mike Erwin <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Sebastian A. Brachi < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>>> What newer APIs do we want to use but are being held back by XP? > >>>>> > >>>> What about Python 3.5, which doesn't support XP anymore? > >>>> > >>>> As specified in PEP 11, a Python release only supports a Windows > >> platform > >>>>> while Microsoft considers the platform under extended support. This > >>> means > >>>>> that Python 3.5 supports Windows Vista and newer. If you require > >>> Windows > >>>> XP > >>>>> support then please install Python 3.4. > >>>> https://docs.python.org/3/using/windows.html > >>>> > >>> If Python stops working that's a BIG reason to move on. If unsupported > >>> means "works, but don't expect support"... it's not as urgent. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Bf-committers mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bf-committers mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bf-committers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers _______________________________________________ Bf-committers mailing list [email protected] http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
