I am pretty sure this won't satisfy Simon, but how about an "export  
template" button somewhere? If the templates really are just text  
files, then someone wanting to share templates could export them to  
the desktop or somewhere else, and then someone else could drop it  
into his or her BD configuration (perhaps wtih an "import template"  
button somewhere?).

I am coming in late to this discussion so I hope I am not missing the  
point.

-Adam

On May 22, 2008, at 4:57 AM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:

>
> On 22 May 2008, at 9:38 AM, Simon Spiegel wrote:
>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I know that the template doesn't contain this information – yet.  
>>>> But
>>>> how about putting the template files and a plist file with the
>>>> needed
>>>> information in a package ... Doubleclick it and everything gets
>>>> installed as it should ...
>>>
>>
>>> Which makes it even more of a hassle for a user to add templates.
>>> Moreover you'll get questions about what takes preference, and
>>> reports
>>> from users saying that their pref settings are ignored. Sorry, I'm
>>> not
>>> going into that wasp nest.
>>
>> My point is the following: Let's say I create a template for
>> "incollection". The chances that I will use this template for  
>> anything
>> else but this specific entry type are very small IMO. So if a
>> mechanism could be established where a template can have a default
>> entry type I'd only see benefits. This default could always be
>> overruled by BibDesk preferences we already have, but I see little
>> potential conflict here.
>>
>
> It's more a question for the field type (like author or URL fields)
> than for type info. Note that the template editor accepts templates
> referring to unknown fields. It can just be rejected when the type of
> field does not match.
>
>>
>>> The type info is totally separate from the templates, logically and
>>> in the
>>> code.  I don't see how you could move that with the templates.  For
>>> the
>>> rest, it sounds like you want a separate document type?  That would
>>> preclude
>>> easy editing of templates in TextEdit.  However, if the template
>>> editor's
>>> state could be archived and saved such that they could always be
>>> reopened,
>>> maybe it could become the exclusive way to edit templates?
>>
>> How it would be technically solved, I don't know. I also wouldn't  
>> mind
>> if it was a bit complicated to create such a template package. I'm
>> really more thinking about giving users who are not very tech savy a
>> way to easily use already existing templates.
>>
>> simon
>
> What I'm saying is that it would make it more difficult for the user
> to manage templates like this. And no way to change it by hand. Huge,
> enormous drawback. And I also say that it makes no difference: you
> still would not be able to use it properly, because the information is
> embedded in the program, and the program (in a general broad sense)
> does not  know about the template. So the only thing you would gain is
> that you could open a few more templates in the template editor.
> That's certainly not worth the cost.
>
> Christiaan
>
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