On 02/08/11 17:45, Miguel Ortiz Lombardía wrote:
> On 02/08/11 17:11, Miguel Ortiz Lombardía wrote:
>> On 02/08/11 13:36, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2011, at 13:13, Miguel Ortiz Lombardía wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/08/11 17:29, Miguel Ortiz Lombardía wrote:
>>>>> On 30/07/11 19:09, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 18:06, Miguel Ortiz Lombardía wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30/07/11 16:59, Jonas Zimmermann wrote:
>>>>>>>> Without having thought through it, maybe there's something you could
>>>>>>>> do with global macro files (Preferences->Fields)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jonas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2011, at 21:18, Miguel Ortiz Lombardía wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I would like to know whether it is currently possible to make an rtf
>>>>>>>>> template where journal names in citations are shown abbreviated AND
>>>>>>>>> punctuated in a way similar to what can be done with authors initials.
>>>>>>>>> Example:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> J Biol Chem -> J. Biol. Chem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand the difficulty of deciding when a word in the journal
>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>> is complete (and needs not a dot) or not, but I would prefer too many
>>>>>>>>> rather than too litle periods :-) A better solution would be a way to
>>>>>>>>> provide a table with equivalences such as in the example before the
>>>>>>>>> template is invoked. But I have no idea how to do that (if possible).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>> Your answer looks promising, but after a first look to the manual I
>>>>>>> can't see how I could apply those macros to a template rtf file
>>>>>>> (ultimately, this is to be used in conjunction with Colin Smith's
>>>>>>> BibFuse). My guess is that I can't...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Miguel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not possible to relate a set of macro definitions to a particular
>>>>>> template. However, as Jonas indicates, you can change the macros by
>>>>>> changing the global macro file. So you could have two (or more) macro
>>>>>> files somewhere with different definitions for the journal macros. And
>>>>>> then you can use either one or the other of these files in the prefs. As
>>>>>> long as one file is selected, the expansion would be according to that
>>>>>> file, and as long as another is selected, that one will determine the
>>>>>> expansions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course this assumes that you use macros in the Journal field.
>>>>>> Alternatively you can also change the macros for the .bib file using the
>>>>>> macros window (Database > Macros).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can easily change the macros by dropping a file containing macro
>>>>>> definitions on the macros window. But in that case these changes will
>>>>>> also affect the saved data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christiaan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Christiaan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your advice. It's clear I have to read more in the manual
>>>>> about the use of macros, then I will try to apply what you and Jonas
>>>>> were suggesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi again,
>>>>
>>>> I have now understood (or so I believe) how macros work. The problem is
>>>> that they're not very useful given my workflow: I add 99% of the entries
>>>> to my bib file from PubMed, which brings short (but unpunctuated) and
>>>> long journal names (in different fields, of course). The problem is:
>>>> macros do not appear to allow spaces in the macro variable so,
>>>>
>>>> @String{jfoo = "J.~Foo"}
>>>>
>>>> is correct, but
>>>>
>>>> @String{"J Foo" = "J.~Foo"}
>>>>
>>>> which would correspond better to what I get when importing refs from
>>>> PubMed, seems forbidden.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think you do understand macros yet. A macro is a different value
>>> from a string. You can't simply promote a string value to a macro. For raw
>>> values jfoo is a macro, and "jfoo" (or equivalently {jfoo}) is a string,
>>> those are different things (note the quotes). You cannot simply say that
>>> "jfoo" is a macro, it's not, it's a string. So talking about spaces is
>>> completely irrelevant.
>>>
>>> If pubmed gives you strings, you have strings, you will never have macros.
>>> You have to *replace* the string values by macros.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you for the clarification!
>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps a script-hook applied to imported refs could help? I will
>>>> explore that. If I get something useful I will post it here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, that could work.
>>>
>>
>> I have written a "proof of concept" script that works for me. It is far
>> from being elegant since it involves two lists (the keys in Applescript
>> records have to follow the requirement of variable names, precluding
>> also the use of spaces) that must be populated and, importantly, must
>> have the equivalent values in the same list index. In case anyone is
>> interested and have improvement ideas I have posted it here:
>>
>> http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~mol/translatejnames.zip
>>
>> Any ideas are welcome.
>>
>>
>
> Sorry, in fact it doesn't work, I was still messing macros with strings.
> Now I understood, the rough way. My script simply writes, for example
>
> Journal = {jmb},
>
> whereas what I would like is it to write:
>
> Journal = jmb,
>
> More RTFM ahead...
>
> Thanks for your patience!
>
OK, it works now. I had to use the "BibTex string" of the Journal field
instead of its "value".
Yet, this solution doesn't seem elegant to me...
Cheers,
--
Miguel
Architecture et Fonction des Macromolécules Biologiques (UMR6098)
CNRS, Universités d'Aix-Marseille I & II
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Tel: +33(0) 491 82 55 93
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