On 08.08.2011, at 11:01, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
>
> On Aug 8, 2011, at 8:38, Christian Pleul wrote:
>
>>
>> On 08.08.2011, at 07:24, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2011, at 15:04 , Christian Pleul wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 07.08.2011, at 17:54, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 7, 2011, at 08:03 , Christian Pleul wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, if I asked it before and just forgot. Anyway, would it not a an
>>>>>> interesting feature, since I can imagine that people who studying e.g.
>>>>>> research papers use this field to put their notes and excerpts in the
>>>>>> annote field.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting, yes, but there has to be a cutoff point. For instance,
>>>>> suppose I'd rather have abstract searchable instead of annote. Who wins?
>>>>
>>>> There can't be a winner. Make the abstract separately searchable is as
>>>> important as the annote field itself. And I think, it is a very important
>>>> point when using BD for e.g. scientific research.
>>>
>>> I did not make my point clearly enough. You want arbitrary fields to be
>>> indexed and available from the search bar. This is not practical.
>>>
>>> Compare with Apple Mail; you don't have the option to add particular
>>> headers in the search bar, and you're limited to subject, from, to, etc.
>>> For BibDesk, we chose a reasonable, limited set of particular fields to
>>> index. All fields are included when you search by "any field."
>>>
>>>>> There are additional problems involved due to the use of Search Kit for
>>>>> searching, as you have to create a separate index for each field that is
>>>>> indexed. Computationally, this will get expensive for larger fields &
>>>>> bibliographies, so you could end up with a beachball on opening a
>>>>> document.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since I am not a programmer, I can to make a statement on this point. But
>>>> when making it possible to search the entire file content as well as skim
>>>> notes, I thought it would make sense (see above) to do this kind of search
>>>> for information which can be inserted directly in BD itself.
>>>
>>> Those are features that cannot be provided cleanly by some other means,
>>> such as Spotlight. You /can/ search abstract/annote/foo/bar fields using
>>> "any field" or smart groups.
>>
>> As I wrote in the other thread, the idea to use these smart groups for
>> certain search operation is interesting. I will give it a try.
>>
>> Anyway, to keep all "searches" safe in one place and not ending up with a to
>> crowded sidebar, it would be great to group them into a folder or something
>> similar. Is there already a way to do this?
>>
>>
>> On 08.08.2011, at 01:47, Alexander H. Montgomery wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
>>> Thinking out loud here, perhaps there is some tweak to the UI that could
>>> make this more obvious? Although I don't normally think of it as a paragon
>>> of UI, the Finder does this through having a "search box" and a limited
>>> number of "search what" buttons below it just as BibDesk does... but then
>>> it has additional limits you can set below that and a "save" button, which
>>> saves it as a Smart Search... perhaps in BibDesk, it could save the search
>>> as a Smart Group.
>>
>> That sounds not bad, may the developers could think about such a way to
>> include that feature.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> --
>> Christian
>>
>
> All of these questions: no. Moreover for all of these questions: if you want
> more detailed reasoning than search the archives.
>
> Christiaan
Christiaan, I understand if you short in time and some points have already been
discussed in the past, but just "no" appears to be a not very helpful reply on
a general discussion list about using an application.
Anyway, there have been a lot of interesting aspects regarding my questions and
will give it a try. But grouping some of the smart groups at the sidebar would
be imho a great feature!
Best,
--
Christian
-Bill Gates is a very rich man today ... and do you want to know why? The
answer is one word: versions.-
Dave Barry
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