Mitch: A most thoughtful critique, from both sides.
To your ending question: In his anger, I doubt the pharmacist would have the patience to read, let alone consider, the points you make. Somehow the angry types seem to have limited attention spans & difficulty comprehending subtle thoughts. Just my opinion; hope to be wrong on this one. dougP -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Harris Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 10:28 AM To: David Estes Cc: [email protected]; iBoberinos Subject: Re: [BOB] Re: {BL} commuter discussion on Pharmacy site Not much evidence of rational thought there. Useful to read, though, because it does suggest how chaotic it can feel for drivers when they can't predict when or how cyclists will stop for lights and signs, or when their right of way at a stop will be taken by a cyclist. Not to seem sympathetic to a murderous A-hole, but cyclists who negotiate stop lights/signs/turns should try to see it a little from his point of view. This is not to say that this applies to riders who do a rolling stop through lights or signs when no car is there or when there is no question of taking another's right or way and no possibility of creating right of way confusion for drivers and other vehicle users. This is another issue that we've gone 15 rounds on in the boblist--whether strict adherence to stop lights and signs in absence of the above possibilities is still a necessary virtue. I'm ok with cyclists choosing either option, and only hope cyclists observe right of way carefully, considerately, and predictably. Anyway, that seems like a reasonable minimum that would help keep peace on the roads. Another reasonable minimum for me in these discussions on cyclist lawlessness is to acknowledge how little drivers observe and obey the law. I've said this before, and we've gone the rounds on this on-list too, and two wrongs don't make a right, etc. But this pharmacist/narcissist, who's probably dipping into his class III cabinet too often, is a perfect example of this blindness to reality, seeing only the lawlessness of cyclists and suddenly unable to see the drivers breaking laws all around him. The difference I think, is probably just that drivers are more predictable about right of way at lights and stop signs. But what also gives him away is his insistence that cyclists ride in the center of the lane. He clearly doesn't want this because his opening point is that he'll run over anyone who gets in front of him, which would include any cyclist who rides the middle of the lane. So why does he say this? Because he's full of petty resentment that cyclists can move ahead of him in gridlock by riding along the edge of a lane. Here's a simple sanity check for him: resent cyclists for making stop lights chaotic?--fine. Resent that cyclists for using small light maneuverable contraptions that move through gridlock with less restriction than multi-ton 6 foot wide 12 foot long steel boxes?--sad self-deception. BTW, is this the kind of comment that would be read and understood on his site? Or would this comment just be ignored there or misunderstood and contribute to noise? --Mitch On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:45 PM, David Estes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Class-act there. I hope you all leave comments. I did. Will see if it > gets posted after "moderation"... > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Keith (ne' trekman1420) <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> wrote: > >> >> Ran across a heated discussion of bike commuting here >> http://www.theangriestpharmacist.com/2008/10/13/share-the-road-piss-off/ >> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ >> > > >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> Redlands, CA >> > _______________________________________________ > Internet-bob mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > search and browse the archives: http://search.bikelist.org > unsubscribe: > http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-bob > _______________________________________________ Internet-bob mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] search and browse the archives: http://search.bikelist.org unsubscribe: http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-bob --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bicycle Lifestyle" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bicyclelifestyle?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
