I wouldn't call Nano a revolution. Invention of wheel was a revolution! Nano is surely good for those who were not able to afford a car. The revolution for a state like Bihar would new automobiles/locomotives which don't need costly roads/rails.
On 4/12/09, sunil pal <[email protected]> wrote: > > Nice thought. Complaining is in our blood, and this is human blood I am > talking about, and not just Indian blood. Everyone has their right to talk > and that what democracy is all about. If TATA is big, then thats because it > has monopoly in India. We have seen TATA Teleservices and how they have > played with the Indian market for such a long time. They had controlled the > government and the price until there were new players in market like Bharti > Airtel. That was a revolution in Indian mobile market. All big corporations > are true business men, so I don't believe that whatever they do, they think > common about people first. > > NANO is good for India and for the world. But with every revolution, there > are strikes and agitations. If the revolution is strong enough to survive > the heat, its worth enough, that the test every revolution has to go > through. If every revolution is accepted easily, then thats not a > revolution. > > Comparing India with other country is also good, but you have to keen in > mind that we are not comparing apple to apple. It good to keep in mind what > developed and other developing countries are doing, and learn from their > mistakes, but implementing what they have implemented for their development > and process does not make sense for us. > > Thanks > Sunil Pal > > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Ashish Kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Ashish Kumar <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Editorial on a HARMFUL 'Nano' >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 4:46 AM >> quiet critical of cars...but thats >> the epitaph of customization. Now >> we are complaining about customised cars...but just for a >> spllit >> second assume that there is no nano launch...and instead of >> nano half >> as much buses are on road even then we will complain, with >> the >> errorneous schedule and congestion, pollution and crowd in >> buses. Our >> very nature is to complain. >> >> Atleast now when the people can afford this little bit of >> luxury so >> everybody is complaining about the intangible things which >> they never >> care, now all of a sudden the infrastructure, parking, >> environment has >> become issue. >> >> Its antagonising that the author is comparing the bus taxes >> with cars >> taxes, its height of conservative socialism. Thats why >> socialism has >> failed in every country. But in India luckily, we switched >> to >> socialist reforms to mould the democratic structure with >> the changing >> times otherwise we would also have been perished like other >> socialist >> countries. But sadly though, after almost 18 years of >> reforms there >> are still some people who are finding it difficult to >> digest. >> >> To those people i would like to give a piece of my thought, >> that even >> in the most industrialised countries, like here in >> Luxemburg with a >> total population of only 5 lakh there are 10,000 public >> buses and more >> than twice as many cars with special discounts from >> government is what >> driving its economy even in the times of recession. Any >> country can >> become recession proof with its internal market growth and >> thats what >> TATA NANO as a car and TATA as a company is trying to >> achieve. Instead >> of being critical, lets appreciate it and lets make our >> india a super >> power once again, 'coz people in most of the parts of the >> world still >> see India with a sense of repugnant, except the English >> speaking >> coutries where our countrymen have achieved a lot to make >> us proud. >> But apart from these half a dozen english speaking coutries >> our >> country is still considered a shit hole,fuelled by films >> like SLUMDOG >> MILLIONAIRE. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Dr.V.N. Sharma <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > I am forwarding the Editorial of the latest Edition of >> Down To Earth. >> > Very interesting in all aspects of Nano the Lakhtakia >> Car and its >> > impact on short term and long term life on this planet >> and may be >> > other ones too. >> > >> > vns >> > >> > ============================= >> > >> > Down to Earth - Editorial: The right right >> > (By Sunita Narain) >> > ============================= >> > >> > The world’s cheapest car, the Nano, rolls out in >> India this week. >> > Manufacturer Tata Motors says it will change the way >> Indians drive, >> > for the inauguration places the personal car within >> the reach of >> > people who once could only dream of owning one. >> Indeed, the Nano has >> > been marketed as an ‘aspiration’- the right of >> every Indian to a car. >> > No quibble here. There is no question an affordable >> car is better than >> > an expensive one; or that a small car, being more fuel >> efficient, is >> > better than a big one. No question, too, that every >> citizen of India >> > has as much right to a car as every citizen of >> America, where vehicle >> > numbers are obscene: some 800 vehicles for 1,000 >> people (old and >> > young) against our measly 7 per 1,000 people (urban >> and rural). >> > >> > Let me roll out my concerns. The issue is not the >> Nano. The issue is >> > all cars and whether cars still are the future of the >> world economy. >> > Over years, in different continents, vehicle >> manufacturers invented >> > and re-invented this appliance for self-mobility, for >> different market >> > segments. In India, two-wheeler manufacturers can >> rightly claim that >> > over the 1980s they, too, provided technology >> innovation and >> > affordable mobility for vast numbers. They can also >> claim they were >> > the first to break the class barrier. Then, in the >> early 1990s, when >> > Sanjay Gandhi’s people’s car, the Maruti 800, hit >> the roads, gender >> > barriers also fell - this was a car women could drive >> and it gave new >> > freedoms. No question, therefore, of what Nano will >> bring to new >> > owners. >> > >> > But this launch comes at a time when the production of >> personal >> > vehicles itself is becoming old - economy. It is not >> surprising the >> > car industry has become the first big dinosaur of the >> 21st century. >> > Every country today is working to bail out its >> automobile industry. >> > The big four companies are still on the brink of >> closure. There is >> > huge over -capacity in the world of cars - sales are >> down and the >> > industry is bleeding. You might think it is a >> temporary phase: cars >> > will zoom again, as recession blues turn pink. But >> this is far from >> > the reality. >> > >> > The fact is cars could only make it big in the old >> economy because >> > they were highly subsidized, or incentivized through >> cheap bank loans. >> > If people could not afford the next car, the bank >> worked overtime to >> > make sure the loans kept rolling, even if that >> eventually broke the >> > bank’s back. But that is the past. The future, too, >> will not be too >> > different. The bank might recover, but the cost of the >> fuel to drive >> > the dream vehicle will not. Oil experts will tell you >> black gold >> > prices will rise again, when the world economy >> re-boots. >> > >> > Add to this what can only be called the mother of all >> subsidies - the >> > free-ride personal vehicles have got, in the world, to >> emit large >> > amounts of greenhouse gases and pump them into a >> common atmospheric >> > space. As the rights over this ecological commons will >> be determined, >> > as they must, carbon dioxide emissions from the cars >> of the rich will >> > have to be limited and taxed. This will cost. It will >> make driving >> > more expensive. >> > >> > The global automobile industry knows it is not our >> future. It is our >> > past. Unfortunately, this message has not yet come >> home. Unlike the >> > car-saturated West, we still have a large number of >> people who are >> > potential buyers. But the fact is in India, because of >> the even >> > greater price-sensitivity, personal vehicles are >> viable only if they >> > are subsidized to the brim. >> > >> > Take the Nano. My colleague Chandra Bhushan has >> calculated the >> > incentives rolled out by Narendra Modi’s Gujarat >> government amount to >> > a fat write-off - as much as Rs 50,000-60,000 per this >> Rs 1 lakh car. >> > In other words, its cost is so low only because the >> state has doled >> > out a largesse. Every past and present automobile has >> got this benefit >> > (more or less). We can afford a car because our >> government pays for >> > it. We can also afford it because we are not asked to >> pay the price of >> > its running - the tax on cars is lower than what buses >> pay in our >> > socialist country. We do not pay for its parking, a >> cost, which, if >> > added, would make us think twice before we bought or >> drove our new >> > dream vehicle, whatever the variant. >> > >> > As the Nano rolls out, think of how we subsidize the >> car and tax the >> > bus. Public buses pay taxes as commercial passenger >> vehicles, each >> > year and based on the number they carry. In many >> states, they pay over >> > 12 times more tax than cars. Think of the public >> transport bus service >> > in your city and ask how much of its revenues go in >> taxes: half, in >> > most cases. Think also that the same Tata company, >> that has managed to >> > roll out the car of our dreams in record time, does >> not possess the >> > capacity to build the buses cities need. >> > >> > Such an old-economy approach becomes completely >> perverse when one >> > considers that already today, and definitely tomorrow, >> the greater >> > proportion of people who are or will commute are using >> and will >> > continue to use public transport - a bus or a train. >> Today, as much as >> > half of rich Delhi takes a bus, and another one-third >> walk or cycle >> > because it is too poor to even take the bus. >> > >> > Think again about the car inequity in India - 7 per >> 1000 people. Can >> > the government write off the costs - Nano style - so >> that all can buy >> > the car? Can the government pay for our parking, our >> roads and our >> > fuel, so that all can drive the car? If not, then is >> this the right >> > right at all? >> > >> > The issue, then, is not the right to own a Nano. The >> issue is the >> > right to a slice of the public subsidy so that >> everybody has the right >> > to mobility. There is no other right. >> > >> > Read this editorial online: >> > http://www.downtoearth.org.in/cover_nl.asp?mode=1 >> > To comment, write to [email protected] >> > -------------------------------------- >> > Also >> > Watch video to find out who wins in the race to emit >> more >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7aHCCI45pA >> > -------------------------------------- >> > In -depth: Urban transport - Cities need mobility, not >> cars >> > http://indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/indepth/term/2005 >> > >> > -- >> > "Those who have the privilege to know, have the duty >> to act." 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