An interesting idea, though I wonder if I'd find myself sticking to manhole covers if I wore those modified shoes walking down the street. But those magnets might be helpful for people who ride bikes made of exotic, non-ferrous materials.
But I'd prefer to see the sensors adapt to my needs, rather than vice versa. Here's a video that shows how they do that in Portland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwNJYtmlyqw Kirk Rappe wrote: > I've been observing this back and forth on the stoplight activation issue > and thought it might be approppriate to add a bit of humor? Maybe this > idea > will solve all of our legal interpretation issues by finding a way to make > the street light activation sensors work for bikies too! ;-) > > http://www.instructables.com/id/EL8EH6RZ1REP286X29/ > > -Kirk > > On 4/17/07, Mitchell Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> This is getting too complicated for me. Personally, I know that >> vehicle-actuation technology for traffic signals has its limits, and I'm >> willing to accommodate them. If there's a place I should put my bike so >> the magnetic coils can find it, I'll put my bike there. If there's a >> button I can push without leaving the street, I'll push it. >> >> But very few buttons are placed where they are accessible to bikers >> (Jenifer/Williamson is one of the few), and I have never seen a marking >> on >> a Madison pavement telling me where to place my bike to activate the >> signal. If such buttons or markings existed, I'd probably run fewer red >> lights. >> >> Michael Rewey wrote: >> > Arthur, please re-read the statute. Vehicle Actuation does not >> include >> > having to push a >> > button or pedestrian push button. Until I see a motor vehicle driver >> push >> > a button having a >> > biker push a button is not accepatble. Also the statue does not give >> > exceptions to >> > pedestrians being present. Nor does it give exceptions to having a >> biker >> > position him/herself >> > on a particlaur spot. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > 346.37(1) 4. Notwithstanding subd. 1., a motorcycle, moped, motor >> bicycle, >> > or bicycle facing >> > a red signal at an intersection may, after stopping as required under >> > subd. 1. for not less than >> > 45 seconds, proceed cautiously through the intersection before the >> signal >> > turns green IF NO >> > OTHER VEHICLES ARE PRESENT AT THE INTERSECTION TO ACTUATE THE SIGNAL >> > AND THE OPERATOR OF THE MOTORCYCLE, MOPED, MOTOR BICYCLE, OR BICYCLE >> > REASONABLY BELIEVES THE SIGNAL IS VEHICLE ACTUATED. [emphasis added] >> The >> > operator of a motorcycle, moped, motor bicycle, or bicycle proceeding >> > through a red signal >> > under this subdivision shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicular >> > traffic, pedestrian, bicyclist, >> > or rider of an electric personal assistive mobility device proceeding >> > through a green signal at >> > the intersection or lawfully within a crosswalk or using the >> intersection. >> > This subdivision does >> > not affect any authorization for a bicyclist under subd. 2. >> > >> > >> > *************************************************************** >> > On 11 Apr 2007 at 14:04, Ross, Arthur wrote: >> > >> > Here is my response to Matt's comments and questions. >> > >> > Unfortunately, laws are rarely written so they are not subject to >> > different interpretations. I guess that's why we have a court system. >> > Until there is case law on this, or at least until police start >> issuing >> > citations for violations, my understanding and interpretation of the >> > intent and language of this law is not to prevent motorcyclists, >> > bicyclists, et al from ever having to wait more than 45 seconds for >> red >> > signal to turn green. Rather, it is to ensure that they do not have >> to >> > wait longer than other traffic has to wait. Signal cycles are rarely >> as >> > short as 45 seconds. 60 - 90 is more normal, and 120's can exist. >> For >> a >> > motor/bi-cyclist to legally take advantage of this law, in my opinion, >> the >> > cyclist needs to believe that the intersection is vehicle actuated (as >> > opposed to fixed time) and that there has been no detection by any >> means >> > to give the signal control unit the message to bring up the green for >> the >> > side street. If you see a pedestrian push the walk button, th >> > at is >> > detection and you know the signal will change next time around and you >> > cannot proceed on the red. If there is a pavement marking indicating >> > where bicyclists should ride or position themselves to be detected, >> there >> > is the expectation that you will be detected and you have to wait for >> the >> > green. If there is a push button specifically for bicyclists, as at >> > Jenifer at Williamson, you have to push the button and wait for the >> green. >> > Etc. This is my interpretation and recommendation for behavior. If >> you >> > want to hold a different interpretation, that's up to you to discuss >> with >> > a police officer, judge, city attorney, or jury if you get a ticket. >> > >> > In terms of the cars being behind bicyclists at an intersection, >> detection >> > usually occurs (at least in Madison) on the approach to the >> intersection, >> > not at the intersection. >> > >> > Arthur >> > >> > Arthur Ross, Pedestrian-Bicycle Coordinator >> > City of Madison Traffic Engineering Division >> > 215 Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd, Suite 100 >> > PO Box 2986 >> > Madison, WI 53701-2986 >> > 608/266-6225 >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bikies mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://www.danenet.org/mailman/listinfo/bikies >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.danenet.org/mailman/listinfo/bikies >> > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.danenet.org/mailman/listinfo/bikies > _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected] http://www.danenet.org/mailman/listinfo/bikies
