-----Original Message----- From: Barta, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:07 AM To: Nelson, Larry Cc: Jim Oeth (E-mail); Pamperin-Volk, Mary; Hoelker, Michael; Gust, Jeffrey; Rampetsreiter, Michael Subject: Seminole Interchange Signalization: [Bikies] Losing ground comment
Hi, Larry: Per below, WisDOT coordinated fully with the local Bike Federation, and the layout meets curent design standards for bike accommodations. Per Mary, it is worth someone's time to check the bike lane width in case the striping did not match the plan. Otherwise, lots of traffic through here, many drivers in a hurry, not surprised by conflicts due to poor driving. But overall, would still expect the road improvements also improved ability to bike through the interchange. Please cc us when you reply to the e-mailer that started this string of comments. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Pamperin-Volk, Mary Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:09 AM To: Barta, Larry Subject: RE: [Bikies] Losing ground I like Jim Oeth's response. Only thing to add is to indicate what manual he is referring to in the first sentence. If it the WisDOT Bike Design Handbook, or the 1999 AASHTO Guide For Bike Facilities? In any case, they give the same answer. The concerned bikie should be directed to those manuals as a source to better understand how agencies decide when/where/how we plan our bike facilities. Also we should delete the sentence "I'm not sure what the marked bike lane width was prior to construction." Other things to consider: - Did the pavement get striped per plan? Or did the bike lane become narrower and the right turn lane or the through lane become wider? - This project should have been reviewed with the City of Madison (maybe it was) to see if it meets their levels of accommodating bikes. Arthur Ross is the city contact for bike issues. We may not be able to address all the bike facility needs they want, but we should start our design with a discussion of their needs. Mary Pamperin-Volk WisDOT Southwest Region Multi-Modal Coordinator WisDOT SW Region Madison Office 2101 Wright St Madison WI 53704 608-242-8018 Think of the Future and Do the Right Thing - Dick Madrzak 1997 -----Original Message----- From: Barta, Larry Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:31 PM To: Pamperin-Volk, Mary Subject: FW: [Bikies] Losing ground Hi, Mary - please discuss with me so we can agree on a reply to the bikies. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Oeth, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:17 PM To: Barta, Larry Subject: RE: [Bikies] Losing ground Larry, here are my thoughts: I am not sure what the marked bike lane width was prior to construction. The new bike lane widths are straight from the manual. Prior to construction, the pavement on Seminole south of the intersection had markings for a bike lane and a driving lane in each direction. While this condition clearly defined the bike lane, the driving lane was more loosely defined being used for both straight and turning movements. The new roadway width is actually wider, but there is more definition to lanes with separate marked left, right, and straight through lanes in addition to the marked bike lane. Because of the added definition, I suspect there could be a perception that everything "feels" narrower. Prior to construction, bicyclists entering the intersection from the south encountered difficulties because it is an uphill slope, and cars would come up from their behind and cross over the bike lane to turn right onto the frontage road. There was a very small right turn lane at the intersection, and right turners would regularly back up due to the insufficient storage and encroach on the bike lane. The new roadway width substantially lengthened the right turn lane, and also placed the mark bicycle lane between the right turn lane and the through lane (as per the manual). The northbound approach has a 10-ft left turn lane, an 11-ft thru lane, a 5-ft bike lane, and a 10-ft to flange (12-ft to face) right turn lane. All of these are commonly accepted lane widths in urban settings. The Bike Federation of Wisconsin (BFW) was coordinated with during development of project and had an opportunity to comment on proposed work. They fully supported the proposed work, and felt the project accommodated bicycle needs well (see attached memo). David Vogt, Deputy Executive Director of the BFW attended the first Public Information Meeting on January 10, 2008 (his comments are included in the attached memo). Jim -----Original Message----- From: Barta, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:46 AM To: Oeth, Jim Subject: FW: [Bikies] Losing ground Do you have any comments to suggest - send me your thoughts, please and I and Mary Pamperin Volk will figure out a response. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Nelson, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:26 PM To: Dryer, David; Barta, Larry Subject: FW: [Bikies] Losing ground What you think? Response please. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:31 PM To: bikies@danenet.org Subject: [Bikies] Losing ground Recent 'improvements' at the intersection of Seminole Hwy and the beltline frontage road are now completed - lots of traffic signals, and new turn lanes. What do motorists get: more convenience What do cyclists get: screwed. The re-striped bike lanes are at least 6 inches *narrower* on Seminole south of the intersection. Also, the other traffics lanes are also narrower. Just in the first week, I've a few close calls with motorists who seem unable to stay inside the lines. I guess they're not teaching that in Kindergarten any more. Questions: * which municipality authorized this project? I'm guessing city of Madison. * how did they get away with making the intersection more hazardous to bicyclists? -- ===== darin _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list Bikies@danenet.org http://www.danenet.org/mailman/listinfo/bikies
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