Dear John,

There is nothing wrong with a union if it simply demands the productivity payments earned for and by its members.  But it is equally reasonable that they cannot raise costs above the level of truck delivery.  But then a bike union might provide stability to employment which might be a problem with bike delivery in general.  I would expect the employment turnover is gigantic.  But then the overall cost to enter such a field as a private company or as a sub of the major parcel companies is low and therefore if labor became demanding and not worth the business effort there would be no bargaining power.

john earp wrote:
What about an local-chapter of bike messengers/delivery..through an local union rep like the I.W.W....Affiliated with the international federation of the bike messenger associations, or local bike advocacy group / political arm ... to generate the basic ideal and conceptional working model of urban bike/delivery on a daily basis with- in the transportation channels that exist...

--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Eric Westhagen <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Eric Westhagen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Bikies] UPS gears up for holidays with bike delivery
To: [email protected], "BikiesSubmissions" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 4:12 PM

Dear John,

And another thought:  UPS has a little known service where they simply drop their ground delivery packages off at the United States Post Office.  It is so little known the regional UPS in my area didn't know they did that when my package went missing.  My point is that to avoid the union trouble, and become competitive, an independent bike delivery might contract at a local level just like a local qualifying US Post Office.  That would be harder for the Union to fight and would allow bike delivery a chance.  After all, with those trucks they simply "jet" through my neighborhood, delivering ten times the packages of a bike.  Pay, to be economic must be in line with productivity.

Eric

john earp wrote:
Then there is 3 other local/national/international delivery/postal companies to explore the competetive/marketable edge with.. this is just an start..." more than just one banner to fly""

--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Eric Westhagen <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Eric Westhagen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Bikies] UPS gears up for holidays with bike delivery
To: [email protected], "BikiesSubmissions" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 3:53 PM

One other postscript I can think of.  I would expect that the bean counters would find it hard to make this fly except in exceptional places and times if the bike people claim equal pay and benefits as regular union UPS drivers.  And the Union will not let the Company siphon off significant delivery business from their Union divers to temp delivery people.  -----but any inroads toward bike delivery is great.

Eric

john earp wrote:
Thanks Eric and to the both of us I've have contacted UPS about ground bicycle delivery service for the uptown  ( ie square and state st. / campus areas...jhn_ twd...)

--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Eric Westhagen <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Eric Westhagen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Bikies] UPS gears up for holidays with bike delivery
To: [email protected], "BikiesSubmissions" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 3:38 PM

I would expect that they save more than the fuel savings by paying the bike people same as their Christmas temp "run to the house people."  Not permanent--not union.  But that would be how it should be. That is a flexible open market for labor.  And that is good for the bicycle.

Eric

john earp wrote:

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