Hans et al.,

I am constantly impressed by the thoughtfulness of comments on this Listserve. 
I especially appreciate the ones that nudge my viewpoint a few degrees in one 
direction or the other or just widen my view in general.

So thanks for that.

-india

On 08/12/10, Hans Noeldner  <[email protected]> wrote:

> I would like to emphasize the importance of streetscape in
> this.  A bunch of bicyclists versus cars and a bus out on a boulevard like
> John Nolen would not dramatize the staggering  amount of space cars require
> in truly urban settings.  The images from pre-automobile Muenster really
> capture this, it’s like, “With all these cars here, where is there
> room for people?”.   A place like State Street or the business
> districts on Monroe or Willy – all of which have rather narrow streets –
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> Nowhere near enough Amerkans understand that space is a
> zero-sum game, which means that the more we fill it with automobiles and their
> infrastructure, the less room we leave for people, buildings, transit, 
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> etc.  OK, all of you know this already, but the layperson doesn’t. 
> The difference between photographing this on, say, John Nolen versus State
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> The first is a nice sentiment, a verbal Happy Face.  The second opens eyes
> to the possibility, “Oh!  So I cause things…and I have a
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> Speaking of opening eyes, is there any way we could convince
> people like Eileen Bruskewicz, Vicki McKenna, and Bill Richardson to come? 
> I’m serious.  Maybe some County Board people could devise a way...if
> these folks are going to rail against transit all the time, we can't afford to
> let them side-step the impacts of Happy Motoring.  Maybe it could be a
> special meeting of the Metro Transit Committee or something...
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> It would be great to photo this stuff at Ride the Drive, but
> maybe it would be worthwhile to pick a later date…and have a bit more
> time to prepare.  And this should be a major media event – something
> a Photoshop approach wouldn’t serve.
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