Ok. I would hope that any feasibility study consider the effect on b-cycle utilization. It sounds like those b-cycles would be pretty useful to the high-speed rail or other commuter that wants a bike once they're downtown.
Do we not need to be mindful of spreading resources too thin? With b-cycle squeaking in and utilization possibly somewhat anemic, perhaps we should focus on nurturing the golden eggs that have been laid rather than trying to get the crabby goose to lay another one. On the other hand, if the mcdonalds millenium chicago station is our model, it wouldn't seem we'd need to worry about the mayor and public resources. Shouldn't mcdonalds or some other generous benefactor be pulling the weight? It seemed trek pulled the weight for the bicycles. On 8/15/11, STRAWSER, Charles <[email protected]> wrote: > Robbie's description of a Bike Station is accurate, but I usually DON"T ask > people to think of it as a parking ramp for bikes, precisely because that > tends to enforce the common misperception that it is only a place for people > who bike downtown to leave their bike during the day. > > When actually the people often most likely to use bike parking that secure > are those who arrive downtown by some other means, and then want to use > their > own bike which they are only able to store downtown because it's in a secure > location. Robbie mentioned this, but I think lots of folks aren't giving > this > scenario enough consideration. > > > > Sure, I don't mind parking my bike on the street in downtown Madison during > the day because I only do it during the day (and actually not even all day > since I don't work downtown, and I'm usually only there for work meetings or > personal reasons. > > > > But if I were coming into Madison from an outlying area (such as the areas > potentially served by any future commuter rail, or even areas potentially > served by any future High Speed Rail), and I wanted to leave it downtown, > I'd > have no doubt that it would have to be kept in a secure facility if I > actually wanted to find a ridable bike where I'd left it the day before. > > > > Mitch mentions the Bike Station in Chicago, and specifically that it > includes > 24 hour secure parking for members. This is what makes it worth the money > (and planning efforts) over even sheltered standard bike racks in downtown > parking garages. > > Chuck Strawser > Pedestrian & Bicycle Transportation Planner > Commuter Solutions > Transportation Services > UW-Madison > Room 124 WARF > 610 Walnut St > Madison WI 53726 > 608-263-2969 > www.wisc.edu/trans > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mitchell Nussbaum > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 2:51 PM > To: Robbie Webber > Cc: Amanda White; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Mayor Soglin States Intent to Cancel Downtown Bike > Station Project > > > > Chicago has a bike station at the edge of Millenium Park. It's pretty > impressive: daytime parking and bike repairs for the public, plus 24-hour > parking, showers and lockers for members. It has a corporate sponsor > (McDonalds!), so I don't know how much public money is involved, if any. > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robbie Webber > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:15 PM > To: Robert F. Nagel > Cc: Amanda White; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Mayor Soglin States Intent to Cancel Downtown Bike > Station Project > > > > Bike Station (capitalized) is a company that does planning for and > management > or bicycle parking structures - which many people call generically bike > stations (lower case.) > > > > Think of a bike station as a parking ramp for bikes, although it is usually > much more than that. Bike stations often contain lockers and/or showers, > some > have bike repair and/or small retail components (locks, lights, tubes, > etc.), > may have bike information such as maps or directions. > > > > Most require that you are a member to park your bike there. Some allow the > public to park during the day, but members get 24/7/365 access via a pin > code > or key chain fob. There are large and small, some privately run by > for-profit > bike shops, some run by the city or county, some run by non-profits. > > > > Bike stations have advantages over just racks on the street because they are > more secure and protected from the elements. Obviously, if they have lockers > and showers, that's a big bonus. In many cities, they act as hubs for > information, and some even provide space for classes or lectures. > > > > Many of us have been trying to get the City to include a bike station in > whatever structure will replace the Government East parking ramp and/or > Municipal Bldg parking lot. (There is a planning process for a number of > elements that likely will be put on these two blocks.) > > > > Bike stations work best where there is both great transit access and a large > employment base in proximity. The buses coming into the Capital Square, plus > the GEF Blgs and other large office buildings around the Square make the > above location a good candidate for a bike station. it would have been even > better with the intercity rail and maybe commuter rail, but even as it is > now, it would work just fine. > > > > I have a report mostly written that reviews the Washington, DC Bike Station > and gives some ideas of what we can learn from that operation. It also > suggests what should be included in a needs assessment, so we can figure out > which elements should be included in a Madison bike station. > > > > I'll post it when I finish writing it. > > > > > > Robbie Webber > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]> > wrote: > > What is the bike station project? What does it cost? > > > On 8/12/11, Robbie Webber <[email protected]> wrote: >> Just as I was about to post my email to the Mayor's office to Bikies, this >> came through from Anne Monk's, Soglin's staff on transportation issues: >> >> The Mayor's blog has been corrected. The bike station is part of the >> block >> 88/105 study now starting. The draft 2012 capital budget included dollars >> for design of the bike station. There has been some discussion about >> whether it was possible those dollars would be needed in 2012. That is >> the >> origin of the reference.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Any questions let me know.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Anne >> >> Robbie Webber >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Amanda White <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I was surprised to read Mayor Soglin's Blog today which states his intent >>> to cancel the downtown bike station project. He states it almost as an >>> afterthought while providing examples of projects that are being cut in >>> his >>> revised 2011 Capital Budget that will go to Council in the next couple >>> weeks. I spoke to one alder who was very surprised to hear this news. >>> This >>> alder told me that he did not recall the bike station being a part of >>> discussions on budget revision. >>> >>> I will get more information over the next few days and keep you posted. >>> Until then PLEASE COME TO THE MEETING ON THE 16TH! Now more than ever >>> it's >>> important that we show Mayor Soglin that bicycling is important. >>> >>> Community Budget Conversation >>> August 16 >>> 7 - 9pm >>> Madison Senior Center (330 W. Mifflin Street) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Amanda >>> ________________________ >>> Amanda White >>> Associate Director >>> Bicycle Federation of Wisconsin >>> (608) 251-4456 <tel:%28608%29%20251-4456> >>> [email protected] >>> www.bfw.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bikies mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>> >>> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > --- > Robert F. Nagel > [email protected] > www.nagel-law.com > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor > 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 > Madison, WI 53703 > 608-255-1501 office > 608-255-1504 fax > 608-438-9501 cell > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device --- Robert F. Nagel [email protected] www.nagel-law.com Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor 30 W. 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