Yes I have been informed that the Railroad project would cut off all traffic not just motorized. I would only support full closure if ped and bike access was allowed or if only one street was closed but never two in a row as that would make the time to circumvent them too long for most peds. -Michael
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:04 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > If I remember correctly, the discussion of closing Blount, Brearly, and > Livingston didn't make any accommodation for non-motorized vehicles or > pedestrians to use the crossings after the closing. In other words, the > grid would have been shut down there. > > I would absolutely support closing the motor vehicle crossings of the path > and garden between Dunning and Waubesa, but not eliminating > pedestrian/non-motor vehicle crossings there, and if we compare this to > the Blount/Brearly/Livingston project, there is a hazard of confusion on > this matter. > > Thank you, > Mindy Preston > > > I think its a great idea and as a resident of the district this is in > > would > > fully support it. > > The map you created does a great job of showing how inferior the east > side > > path is to the west side. Much of the reason is of course historical > > street and railroad configurations but that should not get in the way of > > progress and making paths safer for all and getting through traffic on > > major streets rather than neighborhood ones. > > > > A while ago the city and the railroad were having discussions about > > closing > > Blount, Brearly and Livingston to through traffic. I thought that would > > be > > a great idea and it would make that section of the path easier but the > > city > > did not approve and had some issues with how it would affect the soon to > > be > > Central park. I never take the path from John Nolen to the Yahara > instead > > I opt for Jennifer st as there are only a couple stops and the narrow ped > > bridge to deal with to get back onto the path along Eastwood. It would > be > > interesting to get a bike count of traffic on the path, Jennifer and > > Spaight (perhaps Willy and Rutledge to see what bikers prefer to take to > > the intersection of Willy and John Nolen. > > > http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/railroad-company-at-odds-with-city-over-proposal-to-close/article_1e005fa4-43ad-11e1-a18c-0019bb2963f4.html > > > http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/grassroots/grass-roots-will-rail-crossing-dispute-send-central-park-plan/article_51dbebd2-6576-11e1-ade7-001871e3ce6c.html > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Grant Foster <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> I'm not sure about the pushback from local residents. I used to live at > >> Jackson/St. Paul and I would have supported closing it. Having to drive > >> an > >> extra three blocks to access Bashford/Dunning or St. Paul/Waubesa is > >> pretty > >> minimal for eliminating the through traffic on St. Paul. > >> > >> Now I live in Eastmorland and our access to Atwood/Cottage Grove Rd is > >> totally sufficient with Dempsey and Dennett/Walter as the bookends. It's > >> actually a longer stretch with no through access to the south. I live > >> close > >> to Dempsey and I'd much rather have increased traffic there than through > >> the middle of the neighborhood. > >> > >> > >> The frequent road crossings really are problematic from my perspective. > >> I > >> commute through every day, so obviously that shapes my perception. They > >> are > >> quite uncomfortable and really interrupt the journey. In the winter each > >> of > >> these crossings becomes even tougher when the snow is plowed in front of > >> them. > >> > >> Now that my oldest is riding on his own, they actually feel very > >> threatening as well. At the end of the day, I just think there is so > >> little > >> value for motor vehicles to cross through and so much value for > >> bikers/bladers/peds/gardners/kids. It'd be interesting to compare > >> bike/ped > >> volume on this path vs. mv traffic on these road segments. > >> > >> I pulled a map together to highlight the difference between the CC and > >> SW > >> path road crossings. This isn't news to anyone on this listserv, but > >> it's > >> powerful to see it graphically. I chose two sections of equivalent > >> length > >> from downtown out. > >> > >> > https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=214427577550430265882.0004c1f6e282e4f5b3fe2&msa=0&ll=43.0576,-89.372749&spn=0.102976,0.154324 > >> > >> I've contacted Marsha to get her thoughts. > >> > >> Grant > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Michael Chronister < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> This is an interesting idea but I imagine a lot of push back from the > >>> people who live right off of St Paul and as you mention the users of St > >>> Bernards church. What seems weird to me is that St paul does not > >>> connect > >>> to Atwood or Dunning. If it did then you could close all three of the > >>> streets you mention and there would be no problem with access to St. > >>> Paul > >>> and the residences off them. I do see quite a few bikers taking St. > >>> Paul > >>> instead of the path to get from Waubesa to Jackson. I have tried it > >>> and it > >>> is easier as you have no streets to cross and you get the right of way > >>> the > >>> entire length of St. Paul. > >>> > >>> I would suggest a quick email to Alder Marsha Rummel ( > >>> [email protected]) about this idea and also start to get > >>> other > >>> interested parties to pledge support for this idea. I know the city is > >>> going to do some work on the Dunning-Atwood intersection for bikes so > >>> perhaps this idea would fit into that design process. > >>> Check the bottom of this page, no info but it does mention a bike > >>> signal > >>> at this intersection. > >>> http://www.cityofmadison.com/bikeMadison/planning/proposed/ > >>> Also the entire length of Atwood from Rusk to Fair Oaks is set to be > >>> redone in 2016 so there is another opportunity to make path > >>> improvements. > >>> > >>> > >>> -Michael > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Grant Foster <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> So I was thinking about the Capital City Trail on my morning commute > >>>> and > >>>> wondered why we haven't closed some of the through streets in this > >>>> section: > >>>> Jackson, Ohio and Corry. It seems to me that they add very little > >>>> value for > >>>> MV traffic flow and are a significant obstacle to bike and ped traffic > >>>> along the path. > >>>> > >>>> Then a friend posted this blog entry > >>>> > http://www.giveplantsachance.com/2010/05/atwood-community-garden-madison-wi.html > >>>> and > >>>> I thought how much value closing some or all of these connections > >>>> would > >>>> bring to this already great spot. Restriciting through traffic to foot > >>>> and > >>>> bike would increase the comfort and safety of the path itself and > >>>> would > >>>> enhance the space and its use as a community garden. The reclaimed > >>>> space > >>>> could be converted to addt'l garden plots or micro parks within the > >>>> gardens > >>>> (a spot for a picnic or the like). > >>>> > >>>> It's hard to imagine a lot of push back from local businesses along > >>>> that > >>>> stretch (Absolutely Art, Zoma, Rev. Cycles, the Ohio). The only major > >>>> consideration might be for St. Bernard traffic. Even closing two of > >>>> the > >>>> three would be a huge step forward. I would think the neighborhood > >>>> would > >>>> also be generally supportive since it would reduce cut through traffic > >>>> along St. Paul and make the whole stretch very safe and kid friendly. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> How does something like this get considered? What's the best approach > >>>> to > >>>> talk about it with the city? > >>>> > >>>> Grant > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Bikies mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bikies mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > >
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