Mifflin plan looks nice. Fine with me to leave State Street Mall and East Campus Mall as they are.
Signs Signs, Everywhere a Sign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLm3HMG8IhM&list=RDqLm3HMG8IhM#t=45 --- Robert F. Nagel, Attorney Law Offices of Robert Nagel [email protected] www.nagel-law.com Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 Madison, WI 53703 608-255-1501 office 608-255-1504 fax 608-438-9501 cell On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:47 AM, STRAWSER, Charles <[email protected]> wrote: > Robert, > > The signs that used to say bicycling on State St Mall was prohibited (and > stipulated a $50 fine for violations) were removed. State St Mall is city > ROW, not UW, so I’d defer to Tony or someone else from the city on this > list, but I imagine that it was probably assumed that removing the signs > prohibiting bicycling on State St Mall was enough (especially since they > were routinely ignored when they still existed). > > > > As for East Campus Mall, bicyclists are indeed allowed, but the > expectation is that bicyclists will yield to pedestrians and generally be > courteous in that space. In other words, bicyclists should operate “in a > manner consistent with pedestrians” much like language used to describe > legal operation of a bicycle in, say, a crosswalk. > > > > There are already signs at each end of the 300 block of East Campus Mall > (next to U Square) that say No Motor Vehicles or Mopeds, which was (and > continues to be) a much bigger source of conflict with pedestrians than > bicyclists using East Campus Mall. It was challenging for UW Transportation > Services to convince the other stakeholders that even though signs are > necessary. I’m fairly certain that other decision-makers at UW would oppose > additional signs explicitly allowing bicycles, even if we wanted to put > them up. > > > > East Campus Mall (north of Dayton St)and 700-800 blocks of State St Mall > look and should function like a woonerf now, and putting up signs > explicitly allowing everything that is allowed and prohibiting everything > that is prohibited is kind of contrary to the point of a woonerf, which is > to slow everyone down by making them realize they need to pay attention to > what’s going on, because there are not designated spaces for every mode to > go as fast as it likes. > > > > For those not familiar with woonerven (the plural of woonerf), see, e.g. > the images in this proposal for Mifflin St (which seemed appropriate given > the subject that this thread was recently hijacked from): > > > http://envisionmadison.net/category/catalytic-redevelopment/mifflin-street-wisconsin-idea-district/mifflin-street-woonerf/ > > > > > > Chuck Strawser > > Pedestrian & Bicycle Transportation Planner > > Commuter Solutions > > UW-Madison Transportation Services > > > > Visit our University Bicycle Resource Center at Helen C White: > http://transportation.wisc.edu/transportation/bike_annex.aspx > > > > How are we doing? Take our customer satisfaction survey at > https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CommSol_CSSurvey > > > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf > Of *Robert F. Nagel > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:05 AM > *To:* STRAWSER, Charles > *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] What to do with the 100 block of W Mifflin? > > > > Chuck: > > > > At the risk of hijacking the thread, I get it that bikes are ok to ride > along the East Campus Mall and Library Mall now, but there doesn't seem to > be any signs that guide this one way or the other. I realize there are not > signs that say biking forbidden, but what about signs that say biking > permitted? Or, bikes yield to pedestrians, or whatever the rules are > supposed to be. It seems that pedestrians may glare at bikes, not realizing > that biking is permitted. Are there further plans in this regard? It seems > to be working fine, but I'm surprised the signs are so silent. > > > > > --- > > Robert F. Nagel, Attorney > > Law Offices of Robert Nagel > [email protected] > www.nagel-law.com > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor > 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 > Madison, WI 53703 > 608-255-1501 office > 608-255-1504 fax > 608-438-9501 cell > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 AM, STRAWSER, Charles < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I think it’s important that there be a safe and formal connection for > bicyclists from Mifflin St on the Square to Mifflin St further west. > > Although I am not at this time officially representing the University on > this topic, my position at UW-Madison has made me keenly aware, as I’m sure > you are also, that Mifflin St is a direct connection - from the > neighborhoods near James Madison park that are full of students to the > neighborhoods near West Mifflin St that are also full of students. Or it > would be a direct connection if there was formal access for bikes through > what is now “Philosopher’s Grove” (and a contraflow lane for east bound > bicyclists on the square trying to get from 100 West Mifflin to 100 East > Mifflin). It’s also an important (missing) connection for lots of other > folks. My second grader and I ride this way, e.g. to get from our near east > home to the central library. > > > > I’m not suggesting that the area that is now “Philosopher’s Grove” should > necessarily be returned to some kind of conventional streetscape, but > rather that accommodation for cyclists should be made somehow that still > preserves the space for accommodating other desirable uses. The newly > reconstructed intersection of East Campus Mall and State St Mall (aka > Library Mall) might serve as an excellent model here. > > > > Please enter my comments into the record. > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Strawser > > Pedestrian & Bicycle Transportation Planner > > Commuter Solutions > > UW-Madison Transportation Services > > > > Visit our University Bicycle Resource Center at Helen C White: > http://transportation.wisc.edu/transportation/bike_annex.aspx > > > > How are we doing? Take our customer satisfaction survey at > https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CommSol_CSSurvey > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Robbie > Webber > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2015 4:01 PM > *To:* Bikies > *Subject:* [Bikies] What to do with the 100 block of W Mifflin? > > > > I realize this is a long post, but it really does have to do with > bicycling: both bike parking and completing the bike network. > > > > The city is considering > <http://www.forwardlookout.com/2015/03/update-on-state-st-areaphilosophers-stone/23025> > what to do with the 100 block of W Mifflin, AKA the Philosophers Grove. The > reasons they are considering changes is that there is a lot of crime, and > they think that some physical changes might help lessen that. > > > > I won't speak to the crime issue, but wanted to bring the issue of bike > infrastructure to the list. > > > > West Mifflin is the only corner street coming on to the Square that > doesn't have a through route for bicyclists. E Mifflin, E Main, and W Main > all have counter-flow bike lanes. State and King are important routes. W > Mifflin ends in a cul-de-sac. Many people ride on the sidewalk, which is > technically illegal. this street is an important connector for people > coming from the west that aren't using State St to access the Square. It is > a missing link in the network. > > > > The bike racks on that block also are heavily used, especially during > Farmers Market, Concerts on the Square, Art Fair on the Square, or any > other event. They are heavily used by daily commuters as well, but are > completely overstuffed when there are events. > > > > From the video linked below, it seems that the merchants on that block > don't think that having a through route for bicyclists is a priority. They > also seem to think that the racks are only used by troublemakers hanging > out on the stones. > > > > If changes are going to be made to this block -- and whether changes > should be made is a separate question -- I think they should make sure to > complete the bike network and not reduce already scarce bike parking. > > > > The staff ideas about how to "activate the space" starts about 14:00. The > specific comments about a need for a bike route through the block start at > 17:40, although it sounds like it is controversial. > > > > There is some discussion of bike parking and a bike corral starting at > 20:10. > > > > Public comments, some rather strong, start at 24:45. At 33:30, one person > says both that the idea of a narrow route through the stones is not > large/wide enough and also expresses concern that a bike corral would be > used by "them" (I think he means the homeless population) as a storage > area. > > > > So, if you have any comment about either bike access or parking in the > area, it would probably b worthwhile to let city staff know. Bill Fruhling > -- [email protected] -- in the Planning Department is heading > this up and various city committees are looking at it. > > > > > http://www.forwardlookout.com/2015/03/update-on-state-st-areaphilosophers-stone/23025 > > > > > Robbie Webber > Transportation Policy Analyst > 608-263-9984 (o) > > 608-225-0002 (c) > > [email protected] > > All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of > my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated. > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > >
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