To be clear, I was not trying to place the blame on Bike Fed (for rescheduling BTWW). What I was trying to point out was the room for improvement in communication all around.
I think Larry’s suggestion that these types of issues should be addressed in the 4th quarter of the year prior to construction would be ideal, but Bike Fed can hardly be held to a higher standard than other events., My understanding is that the date of the second Ride the Drive this year wasn’t made public until a few weeks ago. In any case, what I’d really like is for all of us to start thinking in terms of minimizing the inconvenience construction projects like this have on everybody, and, when that’s challenging, accommodating different road user groups more equitably rather than just defaulting to the status quo of the majority of the space available to people in cars. I think what I posted earlier about the reconstruction of University Ave demonstrates that people in cars are often NOT the majority of the people using the street. We just tend to treat them like they are. Chuck Strawser Pedestrian & Bicycle Transportation Planner Commuter Solutions UW-Madison Transportation Services Visit our University Bicycle Resource Center at Helen C White: http://transportation.wisc.edu/transportation/bike_annex.aspx How are we doing? Take our customer satisfaction survey at https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CommSol_CSSurvey From: Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry D Nelson Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 8:01 PM To: 'Spencer Gardner'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Bikies] Notice of closure of John Nolen Path in Law Park As a member of the Bike Fed, I look forward to a response from the Fed regarding this issue. I am not interested in the blame game: this needs to be avoided in the future. From a project scheduling standpoint, these type of issues should be addressed in the 4th quarter of the year prior to construction. Larry D Nelson From: Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Spencer Gardner Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 3:46 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Notice of closure of John Nolen Path in Law Park I can’t comment on the execution of the closure as my route doesn’t take me through there. But I wonder how many voicing concerns here have contacted their alder or the mayor’s office. I’m sure Tony and others employed by the city benefit from your feedback, but as Steve rightly pointed out this is fundamentally a political problem. Concerns voiced on this list are not going to be translated a change of culture unless they are also raised through other, more official channels simultaneously. Spencer Gardner<mailto:[email protected]>, AICP Planner Toole Design Group<http://www.tooledesign.com/> p 608.663.8082 x404 From: Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert F. Nagel Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 3:04 PM To: Steve Goldstein Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Notice of closure of John Nolen Path in Law Park Steve is right on. And, not to hijack this link, but if it happens, it happens, because I think plenty has been said about this problem. Meanwhile, what could be part of a solution to this problem seems to have fallen on deaf ears. Recently, I posted about the cluster-f-whatever between Henry and Bedford streets on West Washington. I do not recall a single response to that post. It seems that some lane lines could be painted pretty fast that could help create a safe alternative to the John Nolen path closure. I'll reprint my old post here: Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Apr 22 [https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif] [https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif]Reply [https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif] to bikies [https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif] Does anyone have any insight into what the plans are for three blocks of west washington between bedford and henry? There's a broken yellow line down the middle of the street. The street is wide enough for a car lane, a bike lane, and a parking lane, but because there are no lines painted, cars seem to think that it's wide enough for two car lanes and a parking lane. It's really the wild west. It's not safe for bikes, peds, or even cars. It seems like a little paint would go a long way here. Not sure why it hasn't happened yet. It's been like this for years. I've been meaning to complain about it here for at least that long, too. --- Robert F. Nagel, Attorney Law Offices of Robert Nagel [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.nagel-law.com<http://www.nagel-law.com> Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 Madison, WI 53703 608-255-1501 office 608-255-1504 fax 608-438-9501 cell On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Steve Goldstein <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 5/8/15 12:13 AM, Melanie Foxcroft wrote: I think this is another demonstration of why Madison doesn't receive a "platinum" award for bicycling. This disaster is simply not acceptable. The double standard of cars vs. bikes is too much. Hopefully city transportation people will learn from this disaster and do better next time. The "city transportation people" are the traffic engineers who, after considering the alternatives, have been forced into this decision because nothing else meets minimum engineering standards. We all see the logic of Tony's deliberations and conclusions. The problem is that an engineering-only approach doesn't solve this problem and that was the end of the discussion. If there were enough political pressure, the discussion could have started out with the requirement that the most heavily traveled bike route in the city remain passable during one of the peak months of biking. If that were the case, other alternatives might have been on the table --- for example, staging the project to enable access or closing lanes on John Nolen. Many on this list will recall the activism opposing of the closing of the Law Park path during construction of the convention center achieved partial success. Tony's sensitivity to the issues shows some things have improved over the past twenty years, but this disaster shows we need more effective activism. _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org ________________________________ [Avast logo]<http://www.avast.com/> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com<http://www.avast.com/>
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