Thanks Robert Schultz, I did send Mike Verveer an email about this recently and another one just now. Since the city folks, although not necessarily Mike Verveer, seem to monitor this list-serve pretty closely, I was expecting them to offer some information about this road segment and what the city's plans are for it. Usually, they are quick to let us know that the city has thought about our problems long before we have and has plans to fix them long after we will have forgotten about them. But, for some reason, not this time.
--- Robert F. Nagel, Attorney Law Offices of Robert Nagel [email protected] www.nagel-law.com Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 Madison, WI 53703 608-255-1501 office 608-255-1504 fax 608-438-9501 cell On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Robert Schultz <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Robert, > > The route you're talking about (W Washington between Bedford and Henry) is > not one I use. I haven't heard anything about what is going on there. > > I'm sure many of us are just as curious as you are about what's up with > this road segment, and I'm sure that if somebody had more information they > would have shared it. > > Do you know of anyone in the city to contact about the route? If not, a > quick google search indicates that the alderman for district 4 is Mike > Verveer <http://www.cityofmadison.com/council/district4/>. From my > experience living in district 4 in the past, Mike is pretty engaged and > levelheaded. I'd wager if you contact him with an inquiry you will either > get an answer, or he will direct you to somebody with an answer. > > When you find out, please pass it on to the rest of us, as I'm sure there > are other equally curious folks out there! > > Thanks for your attention to this one! > -Rob > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Send Bikies mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Bikies digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Notice of closure of John Nolen Path in Law Park >> (Robert F. Nagel) >> 2. Re: Notice of closure of John Nolen Path in Law Park >> (Robert F. Nagel) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:11:30 -0500 >> From: "Robert F. Nagel" <[email protected]> >> To: Brian Mink <[email protected]> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Notice of closure of John Nolen Path in Law Park >> Message-ID: >> <CAPuxgBOchr-kGW5haVb4x5YAtE0Ly0kSW+6a8p_= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Those signs discreetly highlight the issue that I've been trying to talk >> about here: West Washington between Bedford and Henry. On those signs, >> purple is the designation for bike route. West Washington is purple to >> Bedford, then it goes to purple with black bars until you get to Henry. >> Then, it goes back to solid purple again. The key on the map does not >> designate a classification for purple with black bars. The only >> designation >> other than purple is green for bike path. >> >> How can West Washington properly be called a bike route if it is bisected >> by a three-block stretch that is not a bike route? And why does it seem >> like nobody else cares about this or wants to talk about this? >> >> --- >> >> Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >> Law Offices of Robert Nagel >> [email protected] >> www.nagel-law.com >> Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >> 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >> Madison, WI 53703 >> 608-255-1501 office >> 608-255-1504 fax >> 608-438-9501 cell >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Brian Mink <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I second the thanks for the signage! >> > >> > Brian Mink >> > >> > Grant Foster <[email protected]> >> > Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:37 PM >> > >> > Thanks to all who helped get some notification signage up, it really >> does >> > go a long way. >> > >> > Grant >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bikies mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > Grant Foster <[email protected]> >> > Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:18 AM >> > I'm also not interested in placing blame, but do agree we've got an >> > opportunity to do a lot better in the future. >> > >> > While I appreciate the wrinkle introduced by the BTTW date change, it >> > seems that that only impacted the poor, last-minute communication to the >> > community. Based on that communication ("There will not be a marked >> > detour as it is assumed that bicyclists and pedestrians will choose the >> > alternative on-street route that best serves their needs") and >> everything >> > I've heard, it sounds like the decision to not accommodate users with >> any >> > of the following was independent of the date change: 1) use of part of >> > John Nolen Dr for path traffic 2) a temporary, alternate path through >> the >> > park 3) a marked detour 4) sufficient advance warning as to avoid >> forcing >> > users to turn around and significantly back track. *#4 is still needed >> > and would take a small crew a few hours to complete and should really >> be in >> > place before Monday.* >> > >> > #1, #2, and #3 all have their pros and cons and I can understand >> rationale >> > for and against each of them. As much as I generally support a concept >> like >> > #1 and believe it would be the best for path users, I do think the >> impact >> > it would have on all users would be tremendous, especially considering >> the >> > ingress needed into Monona Terrace. It could also introduce some real >> > safety issues for all users and I can understand why we don't have it in >> > place. (I think such an accommodation would have been warranted when the >> > bridge was replaced last year on the causeway, especially given the >> > significant impact to path users at that time and the much simpler MV >> > traffic patterns that would have been interrupted.) >> > >> > I also feel strongly that choosing to not do #1, #2, *or *#3 is >> > insufficient. It should not be ok to close a primary bike artery like >> this >> > and expect that cyclists just figure it out for themselves. While the >> > majority of construction projects may not include a marked detour, the >> > relative impact of this work on bike/ped traffic is akin to the impact >> of >> > the E. Johnson St. work on MVs. I understand the volume of total users >> is >> > not equivalent, but this route is as important to our bicycle traffic >> > infrastructure as E. Johnson is to our MV traffic infrastructure. In >> this >> > case, we marked an alternate route AND maintained through access for >> > traffic. >> > >> > If we truly have a commitment to promoting and supporting cycling as a >> > viable transportation mode, we have to commit to appropriate supports >> > during construction. As much as a marked detour has been discounted by >> > some, I do think it was a reasonable provision and would have >> significantly >> > decreased the angst and frustration associated with this work. I've been >> > detouring over the hill since the closure and see a fair number of other >> > cyclists that I would regularly see on the path during commutes. >> > >> > One last opinion that others may not share: if the last-minute scramble >> > couldn't be accommodated appropriately we shouldn't have made the >> change. >> > While it'll be great to roll up to my bratcakes on the new path, I don't >> > think trading appropriate accommodations during this month+ of major >> > construction was worth it. I would have rather seen the city stick to >> plans >> > and have us move our bratcakes over to Brittingham. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bikies mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > Spencer Gardner <[email protected]> >> > Friday, May 08, 2015 3:46 PM >> > >> > I can?t comment on the execution of the closure as my route doesn?t take >> > me through there. But I wonder how many voicing concerns here have >> > contacted their alder or the mayor?s office. I?m sure Tony and others >> > employed by the city benefit from your feedback, but as Steve rightly >> > pointed out this is fundamentally a political problem. Concerns voiced >> on >> > this list are not going to be translated a change of culture unless they >> > are also raised through other, more official channels simultaneously. >> > >> > >> > >> > *Spencer Gardner* <[email protected]>*, AICP * >> > >> > Planner >> > >> > >> > >> > *Toole* *Design Group* <http://www.tooledesign.com/> >> > >> > p 608.663.8082 x404 >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:* Bikies [mailto:[email protected] >> > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Robert F. Nagel >> > *Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 3:04 PM >> > *To:* Steve Goldstein >> > *Cc:* [email protected] >> > *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] Notice of closure of John Nolen Path in Law Park >> > >> > >> > >> > Steve is right on. And, not to hijack this link, but if it happens, it >> > happens, because I think plenty has been said about this problem. >> > Meanwhile, what could be part of a solution to this problem seems to >> have >> > fallen on deaf ears. Recently, I posted about the cluster-f-whatever >> > between Henry and Bedford streets on West Washington. I do not recall a >> > single response to that post. It seems that some lane lines could be >> > painted pretty fast that could help create a safe alternative to the >> John >> > Nolen path closure. I'll reprint my old post here: >> > >> > >> > Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]> >> > >> > Apr 22 >> > >> > >> > Reply >> > >> > to bikies >> > >> > Does anyone have any insight into what the plans are for three >> > blocks of west washington between bedford and henry? There's a broken >> > yellow line down the middle of the street. The street is wide enough >> for a >> > car lane, a bike lane, and a parking lane, but because there are no >> lines >> > painted, cars seem to think that it's wide enough for two car lanes and >> a >> > parking lane. It's really the wild west. It's not safe for bikes, peds, >> or >> > even cars. It seems like a little paint would go a long way here. Not >> sure >> > why it hasn't happened yet. It's been like this for years. I've been >> > meaning to complain about it here for at least that long, too. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > >> > Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >> > >> > Law Offices of Robert Nagel >> > [email protected] >> > www.nagel-law.com >> > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >> > 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >> > Madison, WI 53703 >> > 608-255-1501 office >> > 608-255-1504 fax >> > 608-438-9501 cell >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Steve Goldstein <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > On 5/8/15 12:13 AM, Melanie Foxcroft wrote: >> > >> > I think this is another demonstration of why Madison doesn't receive a >> > "platinum" award for bicycling. This disaster is simply not acceptable. >> > The double standard of cars vs. bikes is too much. Hopefully city >> > transportation people will learn from this disaster and do better next >> time. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The "city transportation people" are the traffic engineers who, after >> > considering the alternatives, have been forced into this decision >> because >> > nothing else meets minimum engineering standards. We all see the logic >> of >> > Tony's deliberations and conclusions. >> > >> > The problem is that an engineering-only approach doesn't solve this >> > problem and that was the end of the discussion. If there were enough >> > political pressure, the discussion could have started out with the >> > *requirement* that the most heavily traveled bike route in the city >> > remain passable during one of the peak months of biking. If that were >> the >> > case, other alternatives might have been on the table --- for example, >> > staging the project to enable access or closing lanes on John Nolen. >> > >> > Many on this list will recall the activism opposing of the closing of >> the >> > Law Park path during construction of the convention center achieved >> partial >> > success. Tony's sensitivity to the issues shows some things have >> improved >> > over the past twenty years, but this disaster shows we need more >> effective >> > activism. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bikies mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bikies mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]> >> > Friday, May 08, 2015 3:04 PM >> > Steve is right on. And, not to hijack this link, but if it happens, it >> > happens, because I think plenty has been said about this problem. >> > Meanwhile, what could be part of a solution to this problem seems to >> have >> > fallen on deaf ears. Recently, I posted about the cluster-f-whatever >> > between Henry and Bedford streets on West Washington. I do not recall a >> > single response to that post. It seems that some lane lines could be >> > painted pretty fast that could help create a safe alternative to the >> John >> > Nolen path closure. I'll reprint my old post here: >> > >> > Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]> >> > Apr 22 >> > >> > Reply >> > to bikies >> > Does anyone have any insight into what the plans are for three blocks of >> > west washington between bedford and henry? There's a broken yellow line >> > down the middle of the street. The street is wide enough for a car >> lane, a >> > bike lane, and a parking lane, but because there are no lines painted, >> cars >> > seem to think that it's wide enough for two car lanes and a parking >> lane. >> > It's really the wild west. It's not safe for bikes, peds, or even cars. >> It >> > seems like a little paint would go a long way here. Not sure why it >> hasn't >> > happened yet. It's been like this for years. I've been meaning to >> complain >> > about it here for at least that long, too. >> > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > >> > Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >> > Law Offices of Robert Nagel >> > [email protected] >> > www.nagel-law.com >> > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >> > 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >> > Madison, WI 53703 >> > 608-255-1501 office >> > 608-255-1504 fax >> > 608-438-9501 cell >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bikies mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > Steve Goldstein <[email protected]> >> > Friday, May 08, 2015 7:03 AM >> > On 5/8/15 12:13 AM, Melanie Foxcroft wrote: >> > >> > The "city transportation people" are the traffic engineers who, after >> > considering the alternatives, have been forced into this decision >> because >> > nothing else meets minimum engineering standards. We all see the logic >> of >> > Tony's deliberations and conclusions. >> > >> > The problem is that an engineering-only approach doesn't solve this >> > problem and that was the end of the discussion. If there were enough >> > political pressure, the discussion could have started out with the >> > *requirement* that the most heavily traveled bike route in the city >> > remain passable during one of the peak months of biking. If that were >> the >> > case, other alternatives might have been on the table --- for example, >> > staging the project to enable access or closing lanes on John Nolen. >> > >> > Many on this list will recall the activism opposing of the closing of >> the >> > Law Park path during construction of the convention center achieved >> partial >> > success. Tony's sensitivity to the issues shows some things have >> improved >> > over the past twenty years, but this disaster shows we need more >> effective >> > activism. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bikies mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bikies mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20150512/88bcdd39/attachment-0001.htm >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: compose-unknown-contact.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 770 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20150512/88bcdd39/attachment-0001.jpg >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:12:20 -0500 >> From: "Robert F. Nagel" <[email protected]> >> To: Brian Mink <[email protected]> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Notice of closure of John Nolen Path in Law Park >> Message-ID: >> <CAPuxgBN8wLhm= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Certainly, nobody seems to want to do anything about this. Or, am I wrong? >> Is there a plan? >> >> --- >> >> Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >> Law Offices of Robert Nagel >> [email protected] >> www.nagel-law.com >> Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >> 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >> Madison, WI 53703 >> 608-255-1501 office >> 608-255-1504 fax >> 608-438-9501 cell >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > Those signs discreetly highlight the issue that I've been trying to talk >> > about here: West Washington between Bedford and Henry. On those signs, >> > purple is the designation for bike route. West Washington is purple to >> > Bedford, then it goes to purple with black bars until you get to Henry. >> > Then, it goes back to solid purple again. The key on the map does not >> > designate a classification for purple with black bars. The only >> designation >> > other than purple is green for bike path. >> > >> > How can West Washington properly be called a bike route if it is >> bisected >> > by a three-block stretch that is not a bike route? And why does it seem >> > like nobody else cares about this or wants to talk about this? >> > >> > --- >> > >> > Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >> > Law Offices of Robert Nagel >> > [email protected] >> > www.nagel-law.com >> > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >> > 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >> > Madison, WI 53703 >> > 608-255-1501 office >> > 608-255-1504 fax >> > 608-438-9501 cell >> > >> > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Brian Mink <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> I second the thanks for the signage! >> >> >> >> Brian Mink >> >> >> >> Grant Foster <[email protected]> >> >> Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:37 PM >> >> >> >> Thanks to all who helped get some notification signage up, it really >> does >> >> go a long way. >> >> >> >> Grant >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Bikies mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> Grant Foster <[email protected]> >> >> Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:18 AM >> >> I'm also not interested in placing blame, but do agree we've got an >> >> opportunity to do a lot better in the future. >> >> >> >> While I appreciate the wrinkle introduced by the BTTW date change, it >> >> seems that that only impacted the poor, last-minute communication to >> the >> >> community. Based on that communication ("There will not be a marked >> >> detour as it is assumed that bicyclists and pedestrians will choose the >> >> alternative on-street route that best serves their needs") and >> >> everything I've heard, it sounds like the decision to not accommodate >> users >> >> with any of the following was independent of the date change: 1) use of >> >> part of John Nolen Dr for path traffic 2) a temporary, alternate path >> >> through the park 3) a marked detour 4) sufficient advance warning as to >> >> avoid forcing users to turn around and significantly back track. *#4 is >> >> still needed and would take a small crew a few hours to complete and >> should >> >> really be in place before Monday.* >> >> >> >> #1, #2, and #3 all have their pros and cons and I can understand >> >> rationale for and against each of them. As much as I generally support >> a >> >> concept like #1 and believe it would be the best for path users, I do >> think >> >> the impact it would have on all users would be tremendous, especially >> >> considering the ingress needed into Monona Terrace. It could also >> introduce >> >> some real safety issues for all users and I can understand why we don't >> >> have it in place. (I think such an accommodation would have been >> warranted >> >> when the bridge was replaced last year on the causeway, especially >> given >> >> the significant impact to path users at that time and the much simpler >> MV >> >> traffic patterns that would have been interrupted.) >> >> >> >> I also feel strongly that choosing to not do #1, #2, *or *#3 is >> >> insufficient. It should not be ok to close a primary bike artery like >> this >> >> and expect that cyclists just figure it out for themselves. While the >> >> majority of construction projects may not include a marked detour, the >> >> relative impact of this work on bike/ped traffic is akin to the impact >> of >> >> the E. Johnson St. work on MVs. I understand the volume of total users >> is >> >> not equivalent, but this route is as important to our bicycle traffic >> >> infrastructure as E. Johnson is to our MV traffic infrastructure. In >> this >> >> case, we marked an alternate route AND maintained through access for >> >> traffic. >> >> >> >> If we truly have a commitment to promoting and supporting cycling as a >> >> viable transportation mode, we have to commit to appropriate supports >> >> during construction. As much as a marked detour has been discounted by >> >> some, I do think it was a reasonable provision and would have >> significantly >> >> decreased the angst and frustration associated with this work. I've >> been >> >> detouring over the hill since the closure and see a fair number of >> other >> >> cyclists that I would regularly see on the path during commutes. >> >> >> >> One last opinion that others may not share: if the last-minute scramble >> >> couldn't be accommodated appropriately we shouldn't have made the >> change. >> >> While it'll be great to roll up to my bratcakes on the new path, I >> don't >> >> think trading appropriate accommodations during this month+ of major >> >> construction was worth it. I would have rather seen the city stick to >> plans >> >> and have us move our bratcakes over to Brittingham. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Bikies mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> Spencer Gardner <[email protected]> >> >> Friday, May 08, 2015 3:46 PM >> >> >> >> I can?t comment on the execution of the closure as my route doesn?t >> take >> >> me through there. But I wonder how many voicing concerns here have >> >> contacted their alder or the mayor?s office. I?m sure Tony and others >> >> employed by the city benefit from your feedback, but as Steve rightly >> >> pointed out this is fundamentally a political problem. Concerns voiced >> on >> >> this list are not going to be translated a change of culture unless >> they >> >> are also raised through other, more official channels simultaneously. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Spencer Gardner* <[email protected]>*, AICP * >> >> >> >> Planner >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Toole* *Design Group* <http://www.tooledesign.com/> >> >> >> >> p 608.663.8082 x404 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Bikies [mailto:[email protected] >> >> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Robert F. Nagel >> >> *Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 3:04 PM >> >> *To:* Steve Goldstein >> >> *Cc:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] Notice of closure of John Nolen Path in Law >> Park >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve is right on. And, not to hijack this link, but if it happens, it >> >> happens, because I think plenty has been said about this problem. >> >> Meanwhile, what could be part of a solution to this problem seems to >> have >> >> fallen on deaf ears. Recently, I posted about the cluster-f-whatever >> >> between Henry and Bedford streets on West Washington. I do not recall a >> >> single response to that post. It seems that some lane lines could be >> >> painted pretty fast that could help create a safe alternative to the >> John >> >> Nolen path closure. I'll reprint my old post here: >> >> >> >> >> >> Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> Apr 22 >> >> >> >> >> >> Reply >> >> >> >> to bikies >> >> >> >> Does anyone have any insight into what the plans are for three >> >> blocks of west washington between bedford and henry? There's a broken >> >> yellow line down the middle of the street. The street is wide enough >> for a >> >> car lane, a bike lane, and a parking lane, but because there are no >> lines >> >> painted, cars seem to think that it's wide enough for two car lanes >> and a >> >> parking lane. It's really the wild west. It's not safe for bikes, >> peds, or >> >> even cars. It seems like a little paint would go a long way here. Not >> sure >> >> why it hasn't happened yet. It's been like this for years. I've been >> >> meaning to complain about it here for at least that long, too. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> >> Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >> >> >> >> Law Offices of Robert Nagel >> >> [email protected] >> >> www.nagel-law.com >> >> Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >> >> 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >> >> Madison, WI 53703 >> >> 608-255-1501 office >> >> 608-255-1504 fax >> >> 608-438-9501 cell >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Steve Goldstein <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/8/15 12:13 AM, Melanie Foxcroft wrote: >> >> >> >> I think this is another demonstration of why Madison doesn't receive >> a >> >> "platinum" award for bicycling. This disaster is simply not >> acceptable. >> >> The double standard of cars vs. bikes is too much. Hopefully city >> >> transportation people will learn from this disaster and do better next >> time. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The "city transportation people" are the traffic engineers who, after >> >> considering the alternatives, have been forced into this decision >> because >> >> nothing else meets minimum engineering standards. We all see the >> logic of >> >> Tony's deliberations and conclusions. >> >> >> >> The problem is that an engineering-only approach doesn't solve this >> >> problem and that was the end of the discussion. If there were enough >> >> political pressure, the discussion could have started out with the >> >> *requirement* that the most heavily traveled bike route in the city >> >> remain passable during one of the peak months of biking. If that were >> the >> >> case, other alternatives might have been on the table --- for example, >> >> staging the project to enable access or closing lanes on John Nolen. >> >> >> >> Many on this list will recall the activism opposing of the closing of >> the >> >> Law Park path during construction of the convention center achieved >> partial >> >> success. Tony's sensitivity to the issues shows some things have >> improved >> >> over the past twenty years, but this disaster shows we need more >> effective >> >> activism. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Bikies mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Bikies mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]> >> >> Friday, May 08, 2015 3:04 PM >> >> Steve is right on. And, not to hijack this link, but if it happens, it >> >> happens, because I think plenty has been said about this problem. >> >> Meanwhile, what could be part of a solution to this problem seems to >> have >> >> fallen on deaf ears. Recently, I posted about the cluster-f-whatever >> >> between Henry and Bedford streets on West Washington. I do not recall a >> >> single response to that post. It seems that some lane lines could be >> >> painted pretty fast that could help create a safe alternative to the >> John >> >> Nolen path closure. I'll reprint my old post here: >> >> >> >> Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]> >> >> Apr 22 >> >> >> >> Reply >> >> to bikies >> >> Does anyone have any insight into what the plans are for three blocks >> of >> >> west washington between bedford and henry? There's a broken yellow line >> >> down the middle of the street. The street is wide enough for a car >> lane, a >> >> bike lane, and a parking lane, but because there are no lines painted, >> cars >> >> seem to think that it's wide enough for two car lanes and a parking >> lane. >> >> It's really the wild west. It's not safe for bikes, peds, or even >> cars. It >> >> seems like a little paint would go a long way here. Not sure why it >> hasn't >> >> happened yet. It's been like this for years. I've been meaning to >> complain >> >> about it here for at least that long, too. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> >> Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >> >> Law Offices of Robert Nagel >> >> [email protected] >> >> www.nagel-law.com >> >> Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >> >> 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >> >> Madison, WI 53703 >> >> 608-255-1501 office >> >> 608-255-1504 fax >> >> 608-438-9501 cell >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Bikies mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> Steve Goldstein <[email protected]> >> >> Friday, May 08, 2015 7:03 AM >> >> On 5/8/15 12:13 AM, Melanie Foxcroft wrote: >> >> >> >> The "city transportation people" are the traffic engineers who, after >> >> considering the alternatives, have been forced into this decision >> because >> >> nothing else meets minimum engineering standards. We all see the >> logic of >> >> Tony's deliberations and conclusions. >> >> >> >> The problem is that an engineering-only approach doesn't solve this >> >> problem and that was the end of the discussion. If there were enough >> >> political pressure, the discussion could have started out with the >> >> *requirement* that the most heavily traveled bike route in the city >> >> remain passable during one of the peak months of biking. If that were >> the >> >> case, other alternatives might have been on the table --- for example, >> >> staging the project to enable access or closing lanes on John Nolen. >> >> >> >> Many on this list will recall the activism opposing of the closing of >> the >> >> Law Park path during construction of the convention center achieved >> partial >> >> success. Tony's sensitivity to the issues shows some things have >> improved >> >> over the past twenty years, but this disaster shows we need more >> effective >> >> activism. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Bikies mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Bikies mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> >> >> >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20150512/aa537f21/attachment.htm >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: compose-unknown-contact.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 770 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://lists.danenet.org/private.cgi/bikies-danenet.org/attachments/20150512/aa537f21/attachment.jpg >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Bikies Digest, Vol 79, Issue 19 >> ************************************** >> > >
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