Yes, do check out the lighting products Peter White Cycles carries. Some of
those products are designed for open/back road touring in the middle of the
night. They illustrate options and possibilities. I spend 92% of my time on
city streets. There is plenty of lighting in the city after dark. A knog 4
led blinky pointed down approximately 5 degrees works.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Dave Minden <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Folks, another important aspect of headlights is the 'cutoff'. Best lights
> have car-like reflectors that focus the light, with *no light above *a
> line of light pointing ahead to the ground. We hate it when cars have their
> highbeams on, we need to be more car-like. See almost all lights sold by
> Peter White Cycles and almost no others (I have no connection to this shop,
> but have bought 4 of the lights for self and family).
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 9:16 PM, India Viola <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> John,
>
> Thanks, I think this is a great discussion to start.
> I consider myself as pro bike light as you can get, to the point where I
> think that all bikes (yes, all bikes) should come with lights already
> installed.  I mean who would think of purchasing a car or other vehicle
> that didn't have headlights/tail lights?!?
> At the same time I agree that some bicycle/helmet mount lights are too
> bright or inappropriately placed and it becomes uncomfortable and even
> unsafe for oncoming traffic, especially fellow cyclists and pedestrians.
> When we are driving an auto there is an etiquette to using the high beam
> headlights.  The same should stand for bike lights.  If you need a super
> bright light to illuminate your dark passage to and fro by all means you
> should use one, but it should be turned down to accommodate oncoming
> traffic.
>
> What do others think?  Is there a way to create a best practice for bike
> lights that can become the standard?
>
> -India
>
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> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:27 PM, john wagnitz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if people on this list are experiencing this problem and if
> there is anything we can do about it.
>
> while I think it's great that more people are using headlights and
> taillights, I'm noticing brighter headlights, strobe headlights and
> headlights inappropriately mounted (on helmets and handlebars) that shine
> directly into the eyes of oncoming cyclists at very close range.
>
> I've tried to point this out to offenders as they ride by me, but there is
> generally not much time to have a conversation on the problem.
>
> it seems that only Germany and Denmark have a "maximum brightness" law
> but I'm not sure if it applies solely to users or to manufacturers.
>
> I would like to know what others are experiencing out there and if there's
> anything we can do to educate people on this. as it starts to get darker
> earlier, I'm sure this problem is going to get worse.
>
> John
>
>
> here's a good discussion on this topic.  it looks like this is a problem
> in other cities where bicycling is popular.
>
>
> http://bikeportland.org/2010/12/01/ask-bikeportland-can-a-front-bike-light-be-too-bright-43743
>
>
>
>
> [image: Bike Light Parade]
> <http://bikeportland.org/photos/photo/311205200/bike-light-parade.html>
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