This is good! Dave
On Thursday, May 3, 2018 8:46 PM, Darin via Bikies
<[email protected]> wrote:
I’m confused too. Can someone explain who proposed the amendment,why,and if not
related to Madison yards, in what context?
Sent from my tin can.
On May 2, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Andy Bach via Bikies <[email protected]>
wrote:
Mark Clear wrote (on Facebook)
"Whether bike lanes on this particular segment of Segoe are a good idea is a
separate question from the Madison Yards project, and deserves its own review.
It never came up in the year-plus review of the project. Segoe is not being
altered by the project. One member of the Plan Commission added this condition
at (literally) the last minute, before anyone had a chance to think it through.
"Ald. Martin and I thought it best not to conflate the discussion of bike lanes
on Segoe with the project itself, which is why we proposed removing the
condition."
> If you want to see the full thread, it is available on the Madison Bikes
> group here:https://www.facebook.com/ groups/MBIIC/permalink/ 1454886877950634/
I guess I'm still not clear (<ahem>) what actually happened. It sounds like,
from the FB discussion, that Ald. Martin didn't say what the paper has her
saying?
“We wanted to take this [a city planningrequirement that the developer work
with the city’s traffic engineering staff to ensure that sufficient
right-of-way is dedicated along Segoe Road to include bicycle lanes] out
because there are concerns about parking in the area and we know that having
bike lanes would be a great idea, but we want to make sure we maximize the
parking around the facility,” Martin said."
Ald. Clear makes it sound like somebody else added the amendment/condition and
then mentions that this exemption panicked the developer and threatened their
financing. I could see an condition *requiring* more land be dedicated for
bike lanes might "panic" a developer and so an amendment to exempt them might
be soothing ... for the developer.
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Robbie Webber <[email protected]> wrote:
Please note that this is part of the Madison Yards development -- a private,
mixed-use development that will go east of the new DOT building where the
gigantic parking lot was located -- NOT the actual state buildings.
Also, the dispute seems to be about Segoe, not Sheboygan, and in a Madison
Bikes Facebook thread, we have been assured that things are not as they seem in
the article. (I'm skeptical, but am reporting what other alders have said.)
>From Mark Clear, who represents the district west of Arvina's. (Mark is a bike
>commuter, as is his wife, so should be a good advocate, although I note he
>voted against the protected bike lanes on Winnebago last night as well):
"I worked with Ald. Martin on this amendment.
"Whether bike lanes on this particular segment of Segoe are a good idea is a
separate question from the Madison Yards project, and deserves its own review.
It never came up in the year-plus review of the project. Segoe is not being
altered by the project. One member of the Plan Commission added this condition
at (literally) the last minute, before anyone had a chance to think it through.
"Ald. Martin and I thought it best not to conflate the discussion of bike lanes
on Segoe with the project itself, which is why we proposed removing the
condition."
If you want to see the full thread, it is available on the Madison Bikes group
here:https://www.facebook.com/ groups/MBIIC/permalink/ 1454886877950634/
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On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Dave Minden via Bikies
<[email protected]> wrote:
Seems like this is an issue for Bikies and Bike Fed to really weigh in on:
really, the building housing the DOT not making room for bikes?!?! We need the
community commitment to infrastructure whenever there are new buildings, road
work, etc. The neighborhood around Rennebohm Park is already compromised by
Regent Street and Eau Claire Ave. being parked in since the DOT building's
parking is now costs employees to park - so they've clogged the streets.
Clogging Sheboygan and eliminating a well-used bike corridor is a mistake! Dave
On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 4:06 PM, Andy Bach via Bikies
<[email protected]> wrote:
[email protected] - Ald. Martin's email
This is from an article about actions at the Council last night, including the
approval of a plan for the property next to the WisDOT building behind
Hilldale.
"Ald. Arvina Martin, District 11, proposed an amendment that would remove a
requirement that the developer work with the city’s traffic engineering staff
to ensure that sufficient right-of-way is dedicated along Segoe Road to include
bicycle lanes
“We wanted to take this out because there are concerns about parking in the
area and we know that having bike lanes would be a great idea, but we want to
make sure we maximize the parking around the facility,” Martin said."
Apparently she's running for Sec. of State, now.
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