Well, just as I remove the imap option, up pops an app that doesn't 
use ssl.
So, back comes the imap.
I changed the run prog to have --allow-plain
but it still wouldnt work. I changed the conf to allow plain and it 
works.
ie, the command line didn't override the conf.
So I have 2 choices, I can either make the conf have "allow plain = 
yes" or I can have 2 conf files, one with it yes for the imap and the 
other with it no for imaps.
At the moment I have 2 conf files.
What are consequences of having just the 1 conf file with allow plain 
= yes for imap and imaps?
In the future I will be allowing internet access on imaps and intranet 
access on imap. fwiw.

Thx

John

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