Hi Rick,

even while I should be destroying message (Sensitivity: Internal.) message, I 
am rather going to respond…

Our colleague Tony Finch written nsnotifyd: https://dotat.at/prog/nsnotifyd/

Run this somewhere close to the proprietary server and configure it to send 
valid notifies to named. Then configure the non conformant proprietary server 
to send notifies to nsnotifyd.

My recommendation would be still to save money by replacing the broken 
proprietary stuff with the open source.

Alternatively, perhaps the server can send notifies from a different IP address 
than the address of the primary NS? You might be able to configure different 
ACLs for the allow-notify block and don’t couple the notify-IP with any TSIG 
key.

Ondřej
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> On 9. 6. 2023, at 23:52, Frey, Rick E via bind-users 
> <bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’ve got a case where using BIND (v9.16.41) as a secondary to a third party 
> (commercial) primary nameserver.  Using TSIG for the zone transfers.  Have 
> verified zone transfers and TSIG key using dig between hosts.  BIND is 
> configured to use TSIG for the primary server using server x.x.x.x { keys 
> “somekey”; } directive.
>  
> Problem is that the primary server does not sign the response with TSIG for 
> the SOA query sent by BIND to determine if update is needed.   Since response 
> to SOA query is not signed, BIND considers response invalid:
> 
> Sample log message when SOA not signed:
> zone some-domain.com/IN: refresh: failure trying master x.x.x.x#53 (source 
> 0.0.0.0#0): expected a TSIG or SIG(0)
>  
> I know that BIND is not at fault and the primary server is breaking RFC8945 
> as any query with TSIG is required to return a TSIG RR in the response.  
> Working w/ vendor of the primary nameserver to resolve.  The vendor is a 
> pretty widely used provider so I’m a bit surprised issue has not occurred 
> before now.
>  
> Mainly wondering if there is any workaround available to allow BIND to either 
> not send TSIG in SOA query to the primary server (but still use TSIG for zone 
> transfer) or accept the SOA response w/o TSIG RR.  I was unable to find any 
> means to configure this behavior in reading through BIND documentation.
>  
> Rick
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