Dear list

I'm running several bind caching resolver based on Ubuntu latest bind release 9.18.30. Configuration is pretty simple. A few public IP prefixes are allowed to use these server as recursive resolver. All other prefixes are no allowed to use them. The setup is up for several years and works more or less without problems.

Now I have a case I have no explanation for.
It's about a glue record and expired cache behavior: crane.smokva.net
In some cases "dig @ns2.ggamaur.net crane.smokva.net" gives me a SERVFAIL back. This happens when TTL in servers local cache has expired. But this answer will appear only once, a second dig gives me the IP.

#dig @ns2.ggamaur.net crane.smokva.net

; <<>> DiG 9.18.30-0ubuntu0.24.04.2-Ubuntu <<>> @ns2.ggamaur.net crane.smokva.net
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 9174
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232
; COOKIE: f81401b79354e29b010000006809fd983d7daeae1c6bfada (good)
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;crane.smokva.net.        IN    A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
crane.smokva.net.    26    IN    A    85.10.196.166

;; Query time: 1 msec
;; SERVER: 213.160.40.34#53(ns2.ggamaur.net) (UDP)
;; WHEN: Thu Apr 24 11:00:08 CEST 2025
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 89

#dig @ns2.ggamaur.net crane.smokva.net

; <<>> DiG 9.18.30-0ubuntu0.24.04.2-Ubuntu <<>> @ns2.ggamaur.net crane.smokva.net
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 26109                        <---------------- Cache expired
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232
; COOKIE: d2c192e8c153ff65010000006809fdc00ff4b74c1bc6a88a (good)
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;crane.smokva.net.        IN    A

;; Query time: 1 msec
;; SERVER: 213.160.40.34#53(ns2.ggamaur.net) (UDP)
;; WHEN: Thu Apr 24 11:00:48 CEST 2025
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 73

#dig @ns2.ggamaur.net crane.smokva.net

; <<>> DiG 9.18.30-0ubuntu0.24.04.2-Ubuntu <<>> @ns2.ggamaur.net crane.smokva.net
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 23097
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232
; COOKIE: 7573634154fc104a010000006809fdfe3b4159d1878e28be (good)
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;crane.smokva.net.        IN    A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
crane.smokva.net.    300    IN    A    85.10.196.166

;; Query time: 11 msec
;; SERVER: 213.160.40.34#53(ns2.ggamaur.net) (UDP)
;; WHEN: Thu Apr 24 11:01:50 CEST 2025
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 89

In detail, wireshark shows me the following when a local cache entry has expired.

No.    Time Source                  Destination                Protocol     Length        Info
# query to local bind server
599    2025-04-24 08:34:32.084611        213.160.41.17 213.160.41.10                DNS            87 Standard query 0x5a68 A crane.smokva.net OPT
# server sends query to rootserver
600    2025-04-24 08:34:32.086197        2a02:5c0:1:11::10 2001:500:2d::d               DNS            119 Standard query 0xf931 A crane.smokva.net OPT 601    2025-04-24 08:34:32.086318        2a02:5c0:1:11::10 2001:500:2d::d               DNS            119 Standard query 0x7c1b AAAA crane.smokva.net OPT
# server sends server failure as an answer to client
602    2025-04-24 08:34:32.086334        213.160.41.10 213.160.41.17                DNS            87 Standard query response 0x5a68 Server failure A crane.smokva.net OPT
# answer from rootserver
603    2025-04-24 08:34:32.087883        2001:500:2d::d 2a02:5c0:1:11::10            DNS            1235 Standard query response 0x7c1b AAAA crane.smokva.net NS a.gtld-servers.net NS 604    2025-04-24 08:34:32.087883        2001:500:2d::d 2a02:5c0:1:11::10            DNS            1235 Standard query response 0xf931 A crane.smokva.net NS a.gtld-servers.net NS
# server queries .net server
605    2025-04-24 08:34:32.089329        2a02:5c0:1:11::10 2001:503:231d::2:30          DNS            119 Standard query 0x18a7 AAAA crane.smokva.net OPT 606    2025-04-24 08:34:32.089399        2a02:5c0:1:11::10 2001:503:231d::2:30          DNS            119 Standard query 0x88f8 A crane.smokva.net OPT
# answer from .net server
607    2025-04-24 08:34:32.091282        2001:503:231d::2:30 2a02:5c0:1:11::10            DNS            494 Standard query response 0x88f8 A crane.smokva.net NS crane.smokva.net 608    2025-04-24 08:34:32.091283        2001:503:231d::2:30 2a02:5c0:1:11::10            DNS            494 Standard query response 0x18a7 AAAA crane.smokva.net NS crane.smokva.net
# server queries to crane.smokva.net
609    2025-04-24 08:34:32.091815        213.160.41.10 85.10.196.166                DNS            99 Standard query 0x1bda A crane.smokva.net OPT 610    2025-04-24 08:34:32.091882        213.160.41.10 85.10.196.166                DNS            99 Standard query 0xb973 AAAA crane.smokva.net OPT 611    2025-04-24 08:34:32.101617        85.10.196.166 213.160.41.10                DNS            129 Standard query response 0xb973 AAAA crane.smokva.net SOA crane.smokva.net OPT 612    2025-04-24 08:34:32.101617        85.10.196.166 213.160.41.10                DNS            117 Standard query response 0x1bda A crane.smokva.net A 85.10.196.166 NS crane.smokva.net OPT

Can somebody explain me why the server in No. 602 sends back a server failure and still keeps its resolving process for crane.smokva.net?

Flo


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