> On Dec 1, 2025, at 3:24 PM, Jesus Cea <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> My domain "jcea.es" has a strict DMARC configuration and this mailing list is 
> not mangling email headers enough to satisfy any email server actually 
> verifying SPF/DKIM.

Your DMARC TXT record is:

_dmarc.jcea.es.         7200    IN      TXT     "v=DMARC1; p=none; sp=none; 
rua=mailto:[email protected]; ruf=mailto:[email protected]";

Your "strict" configuration tells users who are checking DMARC to do nothing in 
the event of a DMARC fail (p=none), so if you are getting failures, those users 
are not properly following the instructions that you have put in your DNS.  
Now, it's possible that they are rejecting solely on your SPF record (which 
sets -all) but if you're getting DMARC bounce messages, then it doesn't make 
sense to do this because the DMARC spec says both must be checked.

Note that for sites like o365 and gmail, they are black boxes and will do 
whatever the heck they want and not document it, and make random changes at 
will.

As for what we are doing.

Our mailman software will rewrite the sender address for users posting from 
domains which have p=quarantine or p=reject -- that is to say, we compensate 
for the actual conditions where mail flow *should* be affected.

We also ARC seal the traffic going through our mailing lists, which is supposed 
to deal with precisely this unique problem that the original DMARC/DKIM 
implementors kind of ignored.

-Dan Mahoney
ISC Operations
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