I propose that we just fix the signatures in the methods package and
deal with the consequences. If Martin's OK with that, I'll make the
change.
Michael
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 7:45 AM McDavid, Andrew
<andrew_mcda...@urmc.rochester.edu> wrote:
>
> As a casual observer of this thread, my takeaway is that 1. the current
> situation is untenable (e.g. it means that Aaron would have to essentially
> reimplement S4 method dispatch) 2. Given the long history, and extent of
> reverse dependencies to Matrix, there are good reasons to not mess with the
> signature of its implicit generic (though I don't see much utility in
> multiple dispatch here) and 3. therefore the least-bad alternative may be to
> eliminate the call to setGeneric('colSums'), etc, in BiocGenerics, hopefully
> with some fixes to the help system to make it more tolerant to S4 method
> naming. I appreciate that until these fixes are forthcoming it means more
> work maintaining the help aliases for some methods. How often do we think
> the aliases would be break?
>
> Andrew McDavid
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> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 13:36:43 +0000
> From: Aaron Lun
> <infinite.monkeys.with.keyboa...@gmail.com<mailto:infinite.monkeys.with.keyboa...@gmail.com>>
> To: "Pages, Herve" <hpa...@fredhutch.org<mailto:hpa...@fredhutch.org>>,
> Martin Maechler
> <maech...@stat.math.ethz.ch<mailto:maech...@stat.math.ethz.ch>>
> Cc: Michael Lawrence
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> Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Pushing towards a better home for matrix
> generics
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> Returning to this topic:
>
> It's good to hear some of the rationale behind the current state of
> affairs. That said, the set-up we have now is quite difficult to work
> with; as mentioned before, I've had to hack around it like:
>
> # Example from "BiocSingular",
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_LTLA_BiocSingular&d=DwIGaQ&c=4sF48jRmVAe_CH-k9mXYXEGfSnM3bY53YSKuLUQRxhA&r=YOujD4cGNGWN0ZskTj96dUHU2a4CkraklBd4BndS21sf3_emyYLIG1llnUarWCda&m=VBZgu2tHS9vBNQ2d8RSG4ijIcp3jyZkfCsRnA1mk7XI&s=FN4WdWx8gfnjFoLRQuBaIHaKrAjONVa9hsbAyIXSwGo&e=
> .safe_colSums <- function(x) {
> if (is(x, "Matrix")) {
> Matrix::colSums(x)
> } else {
> colSums(x)
> }
> }
>
> ... which is ugly, and even worse, still incorrect, e.g., for non-
> Matrix classes that have methods for the implicit colSums generic. This
> situation is not sustainable for further package development.
>
> Is there a path forward that is palatable to everyone? Or perhaps these
> conversations are already happening on R-devel?
>
> -A
>
> On Tue, 2019-01-29 at 18:46 +0000, Pages, Herve wrote:
> Yes the help system could enforce the full signature for the aliases
> but
> that means the end user then will have to always do
> ?`colSums,SomeClass,ANY,ANY-method`, which feels unnecessary
> complicated
> and confusing in the case of a generic where dispatching on the 2nd
> and
> 3rd arguments hardly makes sense.
>
> Or are you saying that the help system should enforce an alias that
> strictly matches the signature explicitly used in the setMethod
> statement? Problem with this is that then there is no easy way for
> the
> end user to know a priori which form to use to access the man page.
> Is
> it ?`colSums,dgCMatrix,ANY,ANY-method` or is it
> ?`colSums,dgCMatrix-method`. Right now when you type colSums<ENTERN>
> (after loading the Matrix package), you get this:
>
> > library(Matrix)
> > colSums
> standardGeneric for "colSums" defined from package "base"
>
> function (x, na.rm = FALSE, dims = 1, ...)
> standardGeneric("colSums")
> <bytecode:0x591c7d0>
> <environment:0x591a408>
> Methods may be defined for arguments: x, na.rm, dims
> Use showMethods("colSums") for currently available ones.
>
> This suggests that the correct form is ?`colSums,dgCMatrix,ANY,ANY-
> method`.
>
> All this confusion can be avoided by specifying signature="x" in the
> definition of the implicit generic. It formalizes where dispatch
> really
> happens and sets expectations upfront. No loose ends.
>
> Hope this makes sense,
>
> H.
>
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