I'd prefer 3 months to 2 just because a quarter of year is a more common timespan.
But of course its just paint shedding, so 2 sounds good for me too (-: On 03/29/2014 02:29 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > So how about we say two months? That way it's easy for merchants to > comply with the EU DSD and we keep RAM usage in check until we come up > with a more sophisticated refund scheme. > > There's another issue with BIP 70 and refunds that I noticed. The > PaymentRequest doesn't specify whether refunds are possible. So wallets > have to either never submit refund data, or always submit it even if it > makes no sense. Because setting things up to get refunds has a non-zero > cost for the sender, it'd help if we could optimise it away for > merchants that simply refuse to issue refunds for whatever reason. > > > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Roy Badami <r...@gnomon.org.uk > <mailto:r...@gnomon.org.uk>> wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 09:56:57PM +0100, Andreas Schildbach wrote: > > On 03/28/2014 07:19 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > > > > >> Ok, why don't fix this in the spec for now, by defining a fixed > expiry > > >> time. In the EU, most products are covered by a 2 years > warranty, so it > > >> seems appropriate to pick 2.5 years (30 months) -- allowing for > some > > >> time to ship the product back and forth. > > > > > > Yeah I was thinking something like that on the walk home. But 2 > years is > > > a long time. Do we have enough RAM for that? > > > > It depends on usage stats, script size, etc... > > > > > Plus warranties usually > > > result in the defective goods being replaced rather than a monetary > > > refund, right? > > > > Usually yes. The next smaller "unit of time" in Germany would be two > > weeks, the so-called "Fernabsatzgesetz". It allows you to send back > > mail-orders and usually you want the money back. Don't know if > that made > > it into EU law or how it applies to other countries. > > It's EU law, but the Distance Selling Directive only says "at least > seven days", so the exact period probably varies by country (in the UK > it is 7 days). > > But the clock only starts ticking when you receive the goods, and the > Distance Selling Directive allows the supplier 30 days "to execute the > order" (I *think* the 30 days always has to include shipping, because > for consumer contracts title doesn't pass until the goods are > delivered, so the order wouldn't be considered complete until then). > > So I think latest possible deadline for returning the goods for refund > could be up to 30 days to execute the order plus "at least 7 days" > (with some countries allowing more). Plus, conceivably, shipping > time, if some member states have chosen to interpret the 30 day > execution differently. > > So I think this adds up to "a couple of months, give or take". In > practice, though, even a couple of months is a bit on the short time. > What if the goods are delayed. How many people have had miner orders > outstanding for the best part of a year? > > roy > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Bitcoin-development mailing list Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
