On Fri, Oct 03, 2025 at 07:48:38PM +0530, /dev /fd0 wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > > Restricting it to OP_RETURN would have zero effect on people trying to > use scriptpubkeys for data storage. > > 1. The data shows that nobody is using scriptPubKeys for more than 520 > bytes. In fact, people have found new ways to encode data in transactions. > Example: [Merkle path][0] in taproot control block >
I'm relieved to hear this -- if you must embed data it is much cheaper to do so in witness data, exactly because this data puts less load on the network (in particular it does not need to be stored by non-archival nodes). Unfortunately, the evidence from the current "filters" debate, where in the current 80-byte policy limit is filtering transactions that actually appear in blocks, suggests that we just need to wait for the "on-chain bitcoin spam" market to have a shift in sentiment before we have people blowing past 520 bytes or beyond. Adding a hard consensus limit seems harmless, and will put a hard barrier against any such sentiment shifts. If "it's cheaper to use witness data" were enough of a barrier, nobody would be using OP_RETURN outputs today except for opentimestamps and maybe some other super-low-load applications. > 2. If this applies to all scriptPubKeys, it could negatively affect the > [UTXO set][1] size because multiple outputs is an alternative if someone > really wants to use scriptPubKey for data. > Good point! But if they are forced to use multiple outputs this will increase the cost for them even further (and force them to split up their data, which may force some technical pain even if the network fees aren't enough). I'm no spammer sociologist, but at some point if we can force the cost difference between witness spam and UTXO-set spam high enough, nobody will choose the latter, right? And if not -- one of the most serious problems with spam is that it muscles out protocols like LN or Ark by out-spending them on block space, preventing them from gaining the network effects they would need to spend a comparable amount. Every marginal cost we add to spammers increases the delta by which they need to out-spend. > [0]: > https://mempool.space/tx/c5714af322cd2ba94adf3d74325eb17f03d029ad2bf47dc54c3d929833c02628 > [1]: https://mainnet.observer/charts/utxoset-size/ > -- Andrew Poelstra Director, Blockstream Research Email: apoelstra at wpsoftware.net Web: https://www.wpsoftware.net/andrew The sun is always shining in space -Justin Lewis-Webster -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/aN_k1EAXZ0schWDs%40mail.wpsoftware.net.
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