The TNR Q&A: James Clyburn

The most powerful African American in Congress, whom Bill Clinton calls a
"former friend," describes a fractured Democratic Party

*Seyward Darby,  The New Republic  *Published: Tuesday, August 26, 2008

 During the Democratic primary season, Congressman James Clyburn of South
Carolina was the man to talk to about identity politics. As the Hillary
Clinton and Barack Obama campaigns hurled suggestive and sometimes ugly
statements at each other, Clyburn, the highest-ranking black member of
Congress, spoke personally with the candidates and appeared on television
numerous times to insist that cooler heads prevail, lest the Democrats lose
their chance to take the White House. Now, with the primary season
officially (almost) over, Clyburn discusses the improbability of Barack
Obama's candidacy, the state of his friendship with Bill Clinton, and the
damage the primaries did to the Democratic Party.



*You have described dreaming of this moment--a black man receiving a
presidential nomination--while sitting in a South Carolina jail cell after
being arrested during a civil rights demonstration. How do you feel now that
it's happening?  *

I've always expected this day to come; I just never expected to live to see
it, just as I didn't get to Congress in the lifetimes of my mother and
father. But all of a sudden [a black nominee] is here, it is upon me, and
hopefully I'll continue to be around and live to see a black president. [*
chuckles*]



*During the primary, you suggested that Bill and Hillary's relationship with
the black Democratic base had been irreparably damaged. Do you still believe
that? *

I simply said that I thought that things were being said and done that could
very well make the nomination of our party not worth having. I was around
when the Willy Horton ads literally annihilated our candidate for president.
That [sort of attack] didn't start out with Republicans; that started out in
the Democratic primaries. Right now, we see the McCain campaign doing things
that seem to be taken out of the Democratic primary. We see a tightening in
this race. And we have nobody and nothing to blame except things that
happened in the primary.



*Bill Clinton referred to you on ABC News recently as a "former friend." Do
you consider your friendship over? *

I certainly don't feel that way. I think Bill Clinton was an excellent
president and is an outstanding Democrat. I suspect that when you have
differences, as many of us have had, it's sometimes tough. When I ran for
Congress, I ran against four other people. It was a tough campaign. Some
people reacted in certain ways, but we got over it in later years. I
understand these things.



*You are speaking at the convention on the same night as Bill Clinton. What
does he need to say in his speech--and what does the Clinton camp need to do
in the coming months--to re-ingratiate himself with the black community?*

I'm not going to tell anyone what to say in their speeches. ... I would hope
that everybody talks on terms that help unify this party.



*You've discussed the difficulties that now face Obama's candidacy, some of
them made apparent during the primaries. What does the Democratic Party need
to do now to combat them? *

We'll have to run a campaign based on what folks in this country seem to
want to see happen. People want to see us solve the energy crisis as it
exists, the housing crisis as it exists, the health care crisis as it
exists. They want to see us create a better economy and a way of life for
them and their children. Whether we can do that will determine if we can be
in the mainstream, or remain on the margins.



*Should Obama succeed in this and become president, what impact do you think
that would have on how Americans, particularly younger generations, view our
history of racial divisions? *

**I think if Barack Obama becomes president it will have the most positive
impact of any single event in my lifetime--on young African-American males
especially. I used to teach school. I used to teach students that if you
study hard and play by the rules, you can be anything. At the time I was
saying it, I didn't really believe it. Young African-American males are
filling up jails, dropping out of schools. Those things I think will be
taken care of with this election.

* *


-- 
"Usually when people are sad, they don't do anything. They just cry over
their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about a change."
- Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965

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