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* McCain, Palin And Bush vs Teen Pregnancy - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: McCain, Palin And Bush vs Teen Pregnancy
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Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 9:46 pm
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McCain, Palin And Bush vs Teen Pregnancy
(http://dailykos.com/hotlist/add/2008/9/3/0202/46818/main//)
by _DemFromCT_ (http://demfromct.dailykos.com/)
Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:20:29 PM PDT
One of Sarah Palin's policies is in the spotlight today. From _WaPo_
(http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.ht
ml?hpid=artslot) :
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who
revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year
used
her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen
mothers in need of a place to live.
Sarah Palin and John McCain almost certainly share the same opinion of
contraception:
Earlier today the Associated Press reported that Sen. John McCain (Ariz.),
the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, opposed funding to prevent
teen pregnancies, a position that Palin also took as governor. "The explicit
sex-ed programs will not find my support," she wrote in a 2006 questionnaire
distributed among gubernatorial candidates.
And _this_
(http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/mccain-stumbles-on-hiv-prevention/)
from 2007:
Q: "What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they
include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s
policy,
which is just abstinence?"
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) "Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy."
That would be President George Bush, the current head of McCain's GOP, and
the fellow McCain agrees with so often.
Here are the stats on teen pregnancies from _BBC_
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7593735.stm) :
The US is said to have one of the worst annual rates of teenage pregnancies
in the developed world.
According to a report by Population Action International, published at the
end of last year, there were 44 births per 1,000 women aged 15-19 in the US
for 2000-2005.
This compares with figures in the UK - itself said to be the country with
the worst teenage pregnancy rate in Europe - of 27 births per 1,000 women aged
15-19.
Put differently, America is estimated to have some 750,000 teenage
pregnancies a year.
On purpose? Nope.
"About one-third of girls in the United States get pregnant before age 20."
More than 80% of births in this group "were unintended, meaning they
occurred sooner than desired or were not wanted at any time", the CDC said.
So does abstinence work? _Nope_
(http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/abstinencereport.asp) .
A recent study of four abstinence education programs, conducted by
Mathematica Policy Research, Inc., finds that the programs had no effect on
the sexual
abstinence of youth.
So if abstinence doesn't work, and teens get pregnant, and you don't support
them (policy-wise) before or after, what's that called?
Compassionate conservatism.
Conservatives preach about liberty and freedom. Liberals put them into
practice.
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TOPIC: Toons
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Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 10:04 pm
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Conservatives preach about liberty and freedom. Liberals put them into
practice.
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TOPIC: PALIN PART OF GROUP TO SECEDE ALASKA FROM UNION!
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Date: Tues, Sep 2 2008 10:08 pm
From: Lobo
PALIN PART OF GROUP TO SECEDE ALASKA FROM UNION!
Putting aside the War Between the States, the last time a vice-
president got involved in something like this (Aaron Burr in 1807),
he got charged with TREASON!
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/02/uselections2008.republicans20085?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
Palin was member of party calling for vote on Alaskan secession from
USRevelations about McCain's running mate for vice-president raise
questions about his selectionElana Schor in Washington guardian.co.uk,
Tuesday September 02 2008 14:49 BST Article history
New revelations about the Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah
Palin — including her membership of a party that wants Alaskans to
vote on becoming a separate country — are raising questions about how
thoroughly John McCain's campaign vetted her background before adding
her to the ticket.
Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence party (AIP) before
becoming an elected Republican official, according to party members,
and recorded a video message for the AIP convention this year. The
AIP's chief goal is securing Alaska a vote on seceding from the US, a
goal that party leaders believe the state was denied before it became
part of the US almost 50 years ago.
Yet it is the AIP's motto, "Alaska First, Alaska Always", that may
cause the most trouble for McCain. The Republican's campaign slogan
this year is "Country First".
At the convention where Palin's video was played, the AIP vice-
chairman, George Clark, told the audience that she was an AIP member
before getting her first political post as mayor of the small town of
Wasilla, Alaska.
"But you get along to go along — she eventually joined the Republican
party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and
well, I won't go into that," Clark said. "She also had about an 80%
approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former
membership."
Palin suggested in a July interview with CNBC news that she would
insist on making Alaskan issues a high priority before agreeing to
serve as a vice-presidential candidate. "We want to make sure that
that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for
Alaskans, and for the things we're trying to accomplish up here for
the rest of the US, before I can even start addressing that question,"
she said.
In response to the AIP flap, the McCain camp denied that Palin was a
party member and released voter registration documents that showed her
affiliating with Republicans. "If the Alaska Independence Party at
some point taught Governor Palin their secret handshake, there is no
record of it," McCain aide Michael Goldfarb wrote on the campaign's
website. "Otherwise, the only relevant criterion for membership in a
party is registration -- and Palin has never been a member of the AIP.
Intense media scrutiny of Palin since she became McCain's running mate
four days ago has led to speculation that the Republican party failed
to fully examine her background. In addition to the pregnancy of
Palin's 17-year-old unmarried daughter, Bristol, several other
disclosures threaten to throw the McCain camp into turmoil.
Palin has promoted her independence from Alaska's powerful senior
senator, Ted Stevens, who is facing seven criminal charges in
Washington. But she served for two years as a director for one of his
political groups that was able to raise unlimited money from corporate
patrons.
Palin faced pressure to resign as mayor of Wasilla in 1997 after she
fired the city police chief for not fully supporting her agenda,
leading to a lawsuit for breach of contract.
In Alaska, Palin faces an ethics investigation into whether she abused
her office by firing the public safety commissioner, who refused to
intervene in a messy divorce case involving her sister. Palin has
hired an attorney to help her handle the case, leading to another
round of embarrassing press coverage.
McCain's spokesman, Tucker Eskew, defended the selection: "This legal
defence is neither new nor uncommon nor at all political. It is a
matter of her job and is not recent and it is not related to her
selection on the McCain-Palin ticket."
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