On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 06:56:03PM -0800, Qrux wrote:
> 
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Ken Moffat wrote:
> 
> > I've used SW RAID-1 for several years : my impression is that the
> > change happens in mdadm, rather than the kernel, and that (so far)
> > backwards-compatability has been a major consideration.
> 
> I think there's some level of kernel support:
> 
>       xlapp-linux-3.1-kernel.config:CONFIG_MD_AUTODETECT=y
>       xlapp-linux-3.1-kernel.config:# CONFIG_MD_LINEAR is not set

 Yes, there is certainly kernel support.  The point I was trying to
make is that user-visible change happens in the userspace part
(mdadm).

> But, even if the disk format is only controlled by mdadm, you still count on 
> people doing "TheRightThing(TM)" and making sure backwards compatibility is 
> there.  That's the same as with hardware vendors.  They have investments, 
> too, and some companies are quite friendly to the Linux community (e.g., 
> 3ware, at least before the AMCC/LSI acquisition).  I'm just saying that's a 
> very similar argument for both HW and SW, and doesn't necessarily favor one 
> over the other.
> 
 Agree.
> > A recovery HOWTO might be useful (for RAID-1, the hardest part is
> > actually making sure you have identified the bad drive - using
> > different brands of drive [ if there is a choice ] can help!).  For
> 
> Different drives for RAID-1?  I'm not sure that should go into the book.  
> It's probably enough to say: "Make sure you have the right drive in a 
> recovery scenario."
> 
> I'm of the school that the drives should be as similar as possible.
> 
[ snipped the interesting explanation ]

 We have different use cases - I'm an individual buying consumer
hardware from the local supplier(s).  For a long while,
consumer-grade drives went through a good patch (after the
'deathstar' period), but in the last year I've had two different
drives fail on the (new) machine I use as my server.  One was the
unmirrored root disk, the other was in the RAID.  And different
brands.

 In those circumstances, for a RAID array there is (in my opinion)
an argument for using drives from different batches.  In the consumer
market, drives seem to change rapidly - if you buy two this week, they
will be the current version, in a month's time - if something
*nominally* the same is even available - it may be completely
different.  So, in practice I'm happy to mix manufacturers in the
hope that I'll have been able to replace the next drive that fails
before the next-but-one fails.

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