On 02/11/2012 11:55 PM, Ken Moffat wrote:
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 11:23:42PM +0100, Armin K. wrote:
On 11.2.2012 18:52, Ken Moffat wrote:
fcron works for me - what do you get from cronie that isn't
available from fcron ?
Well, I like it's PAM and SELinux support.
Hmm. We don't do SELinux.
It's just my oppinion. I experiment with it.
Interesting. I had been going to suggest (if I didn't already),
half in jest, that libproxy could be dropped from the book since it
is no longer required by the gnome packages and now uses that
unpleasant replacement for configure. Do you use it ?
I think glib-networking is only app that uses it now. (previously libsoup)
But it's only optional there - at one time it was *required* for
libsoup, and I believe that's why it went into the book.
Yeah, you're right! This is from glib-networking configure.
<http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/libsoup.html>checking
for GLIB - version >= 2.29.18... yes (version 2.31.16)
checking for gio-querymodules... /usr/bin/gio-querymodules
checking for LIBPROXY... no
checking for GSETTINGS_DESKTOP_SCHEMAS... no
checking for GNUTLS... yes
checking for libgcrypt-config... /usr/bin/libgcrypt-config
checking for LIBGCRYPT - version >= 1.2.0... yes (1.5.0)
checking LIBGCRYPT API version... okay
checking location of system Certificate Authority list...
/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
<output stripped>
Proxy support: no
TLS support: gnutls
TLS CA file: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
Yet libsoup depends on glib-networking and that one isn't even in the
book. See for yourself:
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/libsoup.html
Yet there are not apps in book that use it, but there are apps that use
it! For example, pulseaudio programs - pavucontrol and paprefs.
/me bites my tongue about a certain developers apps. Perhaps they
will have moved to the new versions by the time I look at them.
PulseAudio is a mess, I agree. But yet gnome 3 requires it to build and
even gnome mixer requires it to function. But for pulseaudio to work
properly I install alsa plugins package and create ~/.asoundrc or
/etc/asounrc to route all sound to pulseaudio.
Is that the mixer from gnome-media, or a different one ? I know
there is a working volume control in gnome-3, using pulse, but I've
never managed to work out which package provides it.
Thanks for the comment on alsa-plugins - I haven't installed that
for years - maybe that is why creating ~/.asoundrc didn't help when
I tried to use pulse as an afterthought on top of a completed
system.
Nah, gnome-media isn't yet ready for gnome 3 ... There is gtk+ 3 version
only in git iirc. gnome-control-center provides volume applet and
configuration through itself.
ĸen, wishing he hadn't volunteered to be the gnome-3 monkey ;)
I've sucessfully built gnome 3.0, 3.2 and I am on my way building 3.4
(dev version). If I can help somehow, just say it!
Review of the updated packages, particularly the configure switches
(Wayne has a lot of --sysconfdir, --libexecdir, --localstatedir,
--mandir which are fine things to use when building for the first
time, but shouldn't be in the book if they serve no purpose) is
always useful. Also, if you notice anything else that is wrong.
I see that many packages have --localstatedir=/var/lib ... Well, since
scrollkeeper is old and not used anymore, that is wrong. Correct
database path is now /var/lib/rarian, and it will get correctly
installed if --localstatedir path is only /var ... Also, if you specify
--disable-scrollkeeper, it won't do anything there.
Also, I don't know why many packages still use --prefix=$(pkg-config
--variable=prefix ORBit-2.0) ... ORBit2 isn't even required for gnome 3.
Now, there is GNOME_SYSCONFDIR variable, but also all packages
explicitly define --sysconfdir=/etc/gnome/3.2.2
--infodir isn't really needed for libgtop, since I don't even remember
any gnome package installing .info files.
Neither --mandir is required in any of gnome packages since man pages
are always installed in /usr/share/man
libgweather could use --enable-locations-compression to compress
location files to save some space.
--libexecdir isn't required for control center.
libcanberra configure script mentions not to use oss where alsa is
present. --disable-oss is recommended.
gstreamer base plugins have no need for ffmpeg.
eog is missing link to libpeas.
epiphany is missing link to seed.
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/gnome/sources/seed/ this is correct link by
the way.
You can add link to book's network manager in gnome panel.
NetworkManager patch is a mess. It even creates some .c.orig files and
yet so hard to read.
gdm doesn't ship gdm-{start,stop,restart,safe-restart} anymore
gnome mime data isn't really required for gnome 3.2 ...
There are gnome-applets for gnome 3 too ... Why are they in old desktop
category?
libgnomecups, libgnomeprint, liboobs and system tools backends aren't
required for gnome3. Yet you can move them into deprecated gnome packages
totem-pl-parser can use libquvi for link parsing.
gnome-accessibility doesn't apply for gnome3 ...
Yet there are only at-spi2-atk, at-spi2-core, and orca iirc.
These are some corrections I noted while just looking through the
instructions.
ĸen
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