Thanks Jacob. I'll be following this thred. Good luck Jim At 10:40 PM 5/4/2009 +0200, you wrote: >I haven't gotten around to it yet, and while was primarily looking into >using the MS software to actually be able to test/play around with instances >of older MS operating systems, the fact that I can actually configure the >environment/virtual hardware better meant that before I knew there was >actually a VMWare image of vinux available, I had sort of planned to try >creating my own virtual instance of Vinux from within the MS VPC package. > >Fact is that I also actually have some old pieces of software here that used >to be designed to run on Dos 6.2 etc. and I have a piece of software similar >to MS narrator that might run on windows 95/98 so I was thinking of trying >that out as such, but who knows. > >Stay well > >Jacob Kruger >Blind Biker >Skype: BlindZA >'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Redding" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:58 PM >Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software > > >>I don't understand what you are doing with the Microsoft Virtual PC >> software in using with VINUX. Can you explain just a little. I am >> aquainted >> with VINUX so know what it is all about. Just don't know why you are >> using >> the Microsoft Virtual PC software with it. >> >> >> Thanks >> Jim >> >> At 08:22 PM 5/4/2009 +0200, you wrote: >>>It's a modification to Ubuntu linux which already has a built in >>>screenreader called Orca to fine tune/make it automatically render >>>accessible from startup etc. >>> >>>Check out that website: >>>http://vinux.org.uk/ >>> >>>It will give you a better idea. >>> >>>Stay well >>> >>>Jacob Kruger >>>Blind Biker >>>Skype: BlindZA >>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Trepan Singh" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:40 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>> >>> >>>> Hello, what's vinux? Please tell me the usage. Thanks >>>> Regards >>>> Trepan Singh >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donald >>>> Marang >>>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:45 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>>> >>>> Good afternoon Jacob (at least in your time zone), >>>> >>>> Perhaps I made a typo, I have not scanned past messages. The proper key >>>> to >>>> bring up the Vinux menu is Left Alt + F1! Sorry, if I wasted a lot of >>>> your >>>> time. The Left Alt + F2 keystroke will certainly bring up a run dialog, >>>> similar to the Windows + r in Windows. Of course, in Vinux, you would >>>> need >>>> >>>> to type in a Linux command. >>>> >>>> Back to the subject line. I had not realized that the Microsoft >>>> emulator >>>> that you first discussed was a new product. I was too concentrated on >>>> Vinux >>>> >>>> at the time. Some experts I follow say this emulator is much better >>>> than >>>> VM-Ware or Parallels, which have been around a long time. In fact, I >>>> hear >>>> Microsoft plans on making this technology part of their legacy support >>>> for >>>> XP and prior versions in the future. What is your impressions of it so >>>> far? >>>> >>>> Have you used it for any other OS than Vinux? >>>> >>>> Don Marang >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:08 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ok. >>>>> >>>>> Been trying out various things like leaving jaws on, or turning it off, >>>>> tried different keyboards like my external USB keyboard, and the >>>>> laptops >>>>> own keyboard, and no matter what I do, like even tapping things like >>>>> the >>>>> Ctrl key multiple times, all I get when I try either left or right alt >>>>> keys in conjunction with F2 is the run dialogue, and other keys also >>>>> seemt >>>> >>>>> ot get stuck sometimes like a shift key, etc. etc., and, for example no >>>>> matter what I do, I can't seem to type backslash, since it renders as >>>>> the >>>>> number symbol, which doesn't even make sense since if it was just the >>>>> shift key being virtually stuck, it should then render as |, so who >>>>> knows. >>>>> >>>>> Think this is also hence interfering with even accessing menus on >>>>> specific >>>> >>>>> windows since can't seem to find a file menu, for example, when >>>>> browsing >>>>> the home folder using Ctrl + Shift + H. >>>>> >>>>> Will just again say that not too impressed with VMWare, but anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Might have to try this on another computer to see if that makes a >>>>> difference, but let's see... >>>>> >>>>> Stay well >>>>> >>>>> Jacob Kruger >>>>> Blind Biker >>>>> Skype: BlindZA >>>>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Donald Marang" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:14 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Not quite sure why your keys are acting that way. >>>>>> >>>>>> After activating any menu, I am able to use the standard arrow keys to >>>>>> move up and down through menus and right arrow to enter a sub menu and >>>>>> left menu to return from a sub menu. In the Vinux-desktop.txt file, >>>>>> it >>>>>> claims that increasing the speed is bound to the Insert + right arrow >>>>>> keys. It sounds like your Insert key is stuck! I have never had that >>>>>> key stick. Perhaps it is because JAWS has been turned off? That >>>>>> might >>>>>> change how the system handles the Insert key. I have not had to turn >>>>>> off >>>> >>>>>> JAWS. >>>>>> >>>>>> I assume that by the fact that you were able to login that you had >>>>>> used >>>>>> the Control + g keystroke to allow all keys, including modifier keys >>>>>> to >>>>>> be directed to VM-Ware Player. This should stop JAWS from receiving >>>>>> these keystrokes or speaking. It should not be necessary to quit >>>>>> JAWS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don Marang >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 3:37 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now managed to log into VMWare machine using username/password >>>>>>> combination, so thanks for that one, >>>>>>> but I assume jaws is catching key combos so will try turning it off >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> something and will then see if can access something like the >>>>>>> Ubuntu/vinux >>>>>>> menu system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note: >>>>>>> Just turned off jaws, and using the left Alt key in conjunction with >>>>>>> F2, >>>> >>>>>>> it seemed to activate the main part of the menu, but you seem to have >>>>>>> to >>>> >>>>>>> use the numpad cursor keys to start navigating it since normal cursor >>>>>>> keys seem to be bound to orca settings like faster/slower etc., and >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> some reason I can't get any submenu items to appear, but will carry >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> playing around with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also seem unable to do something like minimize/hide the orca settings >>>>>>> dialogue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stay well >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacob Kruger >>>>>>> Blind Biker >>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA >>>>>>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Donald Marang" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:33 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For anyone using Vinux in an emulator and can get to the username >>>>>>>> prompt: >>>>>>>> The only account I am aware of in this distribution when first >>>>>>>> starting >>>> >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> "vinux" (all lowercase) for both the Username and Password. I just >>>>>>>> tried >>>>>>>> it twice. The first time it would give a beep when I typed each >>>>>>>> character >>>>>>>> and the second time it did not provide any feedback. Perhaps this >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> because I had Magic running the first time. By the way, There is a >>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>> Ubuntu spelled across the login screen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do not expect to hear the letters when entering either the Username >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> Password. The guy that packaged the Vinux distribution says there >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> currently no way around this limitation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After a few seconds the Vinux desktop appears and Orca starts >>>>>>>> speaking! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is useful to know that the left Alt + F1 key takes you too the >>>>>>>> Vinux >>>>>>>> menus at the very top of the screen. It contains an Applications, >>>>>>>> Places >>>>>>>> and System menus. Programs like Open Office an Firefox can be >>>>>>>> launched >>>>>>>> from the Applications menu. I was disappointed that all of the >>>>>>>> drives >>>>>>>> that were mounted automatically and available in the Places menu >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Live CD were not configured here. Look in the Vinux folder for text >>>>>>>> files >>>>>>>> describing most of the key bindings. The System menu allows you to >>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>> preferences and shutdown. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The applications key, like in Windows, often provides useful >>>>>>>> options. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have trouble remembering that the Enter key on the keypad is not >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> same as the Return key on the main keyboard. The Enter key instead >>>>>>>> announces where you are! Somewhat like a more verbose version of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>> + Tab function. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With the VMWare Player I found the following: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. When I first start the program I get a dialog telling me there >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> update to VMWare Player. So far I have just pressed Tab to get to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Cancel button and activated it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. Then I get a dialog that does not work with the JAWS PC cursor. >>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>> lets you select a new file by browsing, picking a recently opened >>>>>>>> file >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> downloading a new distribution. I use the JAWS cursor to find Vinux >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the recently opened section and clicking on it. I believe the first >>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>> I had to use the browse button. I may be able to create a shortcut >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> desktop that passes the filename on the command line. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Then a dialog appears to explain how the hardware is shared >>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>> the emulator and Windows. So far I have just pressed Enter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Vinux now starts booting in the window. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5. To turn control of the keyboard to Vinux (or any other operating >>>>>>>> system in VMWare Player), press Control + g. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 6. to switch back to windows, press Control + Alt together. This >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> strange combination, since they both are just modifier keys. I >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> think that would limit any Control + Alt + any other key >>>>>>>> combinations >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> being used in Vinux. I have not seen any such combination needed >>>>>>>> yet. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> have had a slight problem where either the Control or Alt key gets >>>>>>>> stuck >>>>>>>> after returning to Windows and JAWS. I normally press Escape >>>>>>>> afterwards >>>>>>>> to check if either key is stuck. If it is, I press the right >>>>>>>> Control >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Alt keys again to release the stuck key. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope these tidbits help. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Don Marang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 5:49 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Downloaded it and tried it out, and it seems to work Ok, except >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> again, after I hear Orca saying I must enter a username and >>>>>>>>> password, >>>>>>>>> nothing seems to happen, but will test it a bit more, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also did stop jaws once I told it to start, but should maybe stop >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> before even trying to open it as well - will test it a bit more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stay well >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jacob Kruger >>>>>>>>> Blind Biker >>>>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA >>>>>>>>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Donald Marang" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:49 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jacob, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have you tried the virtual machine at the Vinux site? It is >>>>>>>>>> called, >>>>>>>>>> "Vinux_Virtual_Edition_1.4.exe" and is configured for Vinux. Read >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> accompanying text file for details. Go to the downloads page at: >>>>>>>>>> http://vinux.org.uk/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Don Marang >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PS I hear a new exciting distribution of Ubuntu, the Linux variant >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> which Vinux is based has just come out! It is Ubuntu 2.0. I have >>>>>>>>>> heard >>>>>>>>>> great things from several PC experts. I wonder if a Vinux 2.0 >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> available soon? >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:07 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone tested MS's own VMWare product? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's called Microsoft Virtual PC FWIW. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's free, and the configuration wizard etc. seem pretty usable, >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> have to either try find a valid VPC image that's already had an >>>>>>>>>>> OS >>>>>>>>>>> installed, or maybe get a sighted person to try help me, for >>>>>>>>>>> example, >>>>>>>>>>> install something like Vinux, or an older MS Os so I can see if I >>>>>>>>>>> can, >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> example, try out their screenreader utilisation, but I think it >>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>> since in my first test run, I could tell it the new VPC I was >>>>>>>>>>> configuring >>>>>>>>>>> would think it had a sound blaster card etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, here's the details/download page: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> http://www.microsoft.com:80/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=28C97D22-6EB8-4A >>>> 09-A7F7-F6C7A1F000B5&displaylang=en >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, once I start up my virtual pc machine, I do need to use the >>>>>>>>>>> jaws >>>>>>>>>>> cursor to get to some of the activity menus, but not really a >>>>>>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ok, while typing this message, I realised I was being stoopid, so >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>>>> the VPC, and told it to mount the Vinux live CD image and then >>>>>>>>>>> told >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> restart/reboot, and it did seem to be virtually booting up from >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> CD >>>>>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>>>>> since I heard the sound prompt to hit enter to make it 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