hi all, so that this doesn't degenerate into yet another bitching session. can anyone who has a problem with brenda's recent posts/attitude let me know off list please. my email address is in my signature on every message i send so there's no excuse for replying on list. i want to know whether it's a couple of members upset here or whether there are more of you who haven't yet said anything. Kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact me via email/msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming?
> Yes. She flames in such a way that it may not openly appear as a flame. > She always brings up past business practices, not to let others know about > them, but to slap you in the face. If the practices are in the past, new > members need not know about them. If explanations are given, she does not > accept or acknowledge them. She says things to infuriate others into > response in your defense, then she slaps them down from the moderator's > position. I left the list due to her tactics, then decided that it is > important for me to be on the list to get news and discussion of games. I > resubscribed. Unfortunately, her tactics continue. And she admits to no > wrong doing by sending her snide slaps, pokes, egg-ons, and jibes? She says > that she has a right to her opinions as a defense. So! do! we!, Brenda! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer North" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:18 AM > Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > > > > > You, as a moderator, should know that this point will only bring this > > discussion back up even as it's been dealt with effectively by Kevin. > > What > > do you need now? Vindication? Do I bring this issue to my website and > > have > > an all-out war? You brought off-list correspondence on-list. It's > > well-known that you often act towards members in ways that would normally > > get others in trouble or on moderated status. Is there a double-standard? > > I believe so. Others believe so. That's just my opinion based on past > > flare ups you've had with other members (who shall not be mentioned, nor > > their private e-mails fanned out here in a public forum). > > > > As many people have definite opinions of you as they do of me. Thought > > this > > thread was dead? On one hand, you say that you refuse to respond, and now > > you're bringing it back up. > > > > I don't see what's so hard to see about the thread being snide, facetious, > > and sarcastic. To what standard can the members be held accountable to if > > you, as a moderator, do not adhere to the same standard? > > > > Let it go and move on.. get some therapy.. whatever, but you know, if I > > can't even e-mail a moderator privately without you shoveling it all over > > the list publicly, then screw it. I don't know what kind of medication, > > affliction, or condition you either have or need to have, but this is > > getting old. > > > > Drop it already.. if you need to have the last word, then have it.. then, > > let's let it go.. and, please, everyone else not respond to her last > > word.. > > time to move! on! folks!.. as, Mr. Rivard would say. *grin* > > > > James > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of brenda green > > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:41 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > > > Something to think about, no responses needed. > > > > > > > > First I would like to apologize to Kevin who has taken the brunt of this > > thread since I've been working. Yes, I do have a life away from this list > > . > > I do have a job and a family. > > > > > > > > Am I to take it as an owner/moderator of this list I'm not entitled to an > > opinion? I really don't know how this thread went from clarification of > > whether "orders" or "pre-orders" were being taken for Monty to where it > > ended up. I stated that I'd wait until the game was released and stated > > the > > fact for my decision. > > > > > > > > The following are messages between James North and myself, some of which > > were sent privately. I'd just like to know where the flaming is. I have > > never, on or off the list, reverted to insults or namecalling. I do state > > the fact, ask unwelcome questions, and occasionally give my opinion. > > There's > > also a couple of messages from other list members who shall remain > > nameless > > unless they choose to admit to them. > > > > > > > > That's right James, who needs that extra $15. Given your record with > > pre-ordering, I'm surprised you'd even offer it as a pre-order. "raceway" > > was offered for pre-order in 2001 and is still not available to those who > > paid good cash for it. Monty was "shipping" November 2003 and recalled. I > > don't know of anybody that actually got the game. Now, more than a year > > later, you're offering Monty for pre-order? I for one, will wait until it > > is > > actually released to take a look at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, and that old adage.. if you have nothing nice to say.. I don't recall > > anyone twisting YOUR arm. > > > > > > > > That's correct, Brenda. And, I also didn't possess "Raceway" for an > > entire > > year. However, I essentially donated four years of my life doing the > > community a favor. If you don't want to pre-order, then simply don't. > > Your > > innuendos aren't necessary. In fact, let me do you a favor in the spirit > > of > > your natural disposition. I won't sell it to you, even after it's > > released--very soon, by the way--I'll, in your name, raise the price to > > $49.95. So, if anyone wants to pre-order it, they'd better get busy. > > Ain't > > that right, Brenda? *smile* > > > > > > > > > > > > From: James North > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Cc: 'Jennifer North' > > > > Subject: Re: Post & Status > > > > > > > > Brenda, > > > > > > > > Am I to assume that my response to your inflammatory post on the BG List > > will not be going through since only the last post of mine did? I assume > > you made a quick maneuver after posting yours and then put me back on > > moderated status as my posts have been coming through regularly very > > quickly. > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > From: brenda green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: James North > > Cc: 'Jennifer North' > > Subject: Re: Post & Status > > > > > > > > No James, I did not put you on moderated status. Furthermore, I do not > > intend on doing that. If you step over the line, you will be dealt with > > the > > same as any other member of the list. > > > > > > > > My post only stated facts and if you take it as flaming then perhaps you > > need to consider what was said. You and I both know those facts are true. > > > > > > > > Brenda Green > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > ---- > > > > > > > > From: James North > > > > To: 'brenda green' > > > > Subject: RE: Post & Status > > > > > > > > Brenda, > > > > > > > > What I know was you went from toning Will down and saying, "Let's see what > > happens.." and, basically, that I have a track record of coming > > through-albeit, often at the last minute-and, then the snide remark about > > pre-ordering and then again tonight. > > > > > > > > I don't expect special treatment, so that's the last time you need to > > imply > > that. Honestly, whether I'm on the list or not is inconsequential. As > > soon > > as I post an update to my customer base, it's on the list, anyway. I have > > eight hundred other people to send updates to. The benefit of me being on > > the list is that people can ask me questions directly. That's why I'm > > there. But, if that privilege is abused, then I'll unsubscribe again. > > That's not being arrogant or a threat, but keeping up on the list does > > take > > time out of my day. > > > > > > > > As far as Monty, I really don't want to air my own personal business of > > what > > 2004 was like, but I'll bet money that you'd be hard pressed to find any > > of > > my customer's who have had as much on their plate while trying to maintain > > a > > regular job and still work on these games for you guys. > > > > > > > > I know what the facts are-they're in black and white in the posts. If > > anyone's in doubt, they can back track through the thread and then they > > will, too. > > > > > > > > I'm sure there are probably a lot of people who would care less if I > > didn't > > keep working on the games and disappeared, but there are also a lot who > > depend on it on a few different levels. And, I do have a track record and > > if delays can't be taken into consideration based on not only the games I > > have written and released, not to mention inspiring others to follow suit, > > then I really don't know what to tell them. > > > > > > > > I re-subscribed to be more available to the community. If you really need > > to get into a pissing match with me for whatever animosity you still seem > > to > > have from whatever a few years ago, then just say so or if I'm put back on > > moderated status, say so. And, I'll unsubscribe. > > > > > > > > It really, truly, and honestly makes no difference to me. > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I refused to responp further, both on and off the list, as > > the next post shows. > > > > > > > > From: brenda green > > > > Subject: Re: audyssey: Montezuma's Revenge Orders > > > > > > > > James, I have a question for you. This question does not apply to me since > > I > > have not pre-ordered Raceway and you refuse to sell me Monty. Somebody > > asked > > me and I'm referring the question to you since you now have the rights to > > both games. > > > > > > > > Before I ask the question though, perhaps you can clarify one point > > please. > > During the year or so when AdoraEntertainment owned Raceway they refused > > to > > take pre-orders. All pre-orders were placed with you, it this true or > > false? > > > > > > > > I'm asking you this question on the list because I don't have the answer > > and > > others on the list may be interested in the answer as well as the person > > that asked me. If a person has pre-ordered Raceway from you and they'd > > like > > to get Monty, can they change their order since the same company owns both > > games? If there's a price difference, can they pay the difference and get > > Monty instead of Raceway? > > > > > > > > Brenda Green > > > > > > > > Hi, Brenda. > > > > > > > > That's correct. All pre-orders for Raceway were placed with me except > > during the period that Adora owned the game for which they took no > > pre-orders. > > > > > > > > Converting a Raceway order to a Monty order would be fine. If anyone's > > interested, e-mail > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > - James > > > > > > > > I've removed headers, names and signatures from the following two > > messages. > > If the senders whis to make themselves known, they can do so themselves. > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: personal opinion > > > > > > > > It is well known that Brenda does not get along with James North. Open > > hostility has been shown by her posts to the list. Should someone who, on > > a > > fairly regular basis, does not follow the list guidelines by showing such > > open hostility, be a moderator? In my opinion, no. At least, her own > > messages should be moderated by the list owner. If she cannot at least > > follow the guidelines, she should be replaced as a moderator. > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Subject: Re: Montezuma's Revenge Orders > > > > > > > > Hi Brenda, > > > > I'm just writing you off list to say that I think that it is a good thing > > that you bring up Mr North's pre-order record whenever he makes known that > > he is looking for them. I think of your messages as a public service > > message to new comers and I'm glad that you do them as it seems that one > > can > > not post any sort of negative message about Mr North, his games or his > > previous pre-order record to the list without occurring the wrath of a > > moderator, others and Mr North himself no matter how non flaming and > > factual > > the message may be. > > > > > > > > Several of you may be interested in this bit of news. I have, for some > > time, > > been seriously considering leaving the list both as an owner/moderator and > > a > > member. 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