Okay that's cool. I also know that he was the first to introduce me to accessible gaming. I bought alien outback from him when he owned esp softworks. take care Chris
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >I know. I have no problem with him not selling to certain people, and I > hope I'm not one of them. I've been a supporter of him, and when people > needlessly flame him, I'll defend him. If they flame him on list, he > should > be defended on list. I treat people with just as much respect as they > show > me. When they lose my respect, they have to earn it back. James North > has > always come through with games of superior quality. I don't think he's > going to rip me off, either. I think he is honest. If I didn't, I would > not have now preordered 3 games. There are other companies that I would > preorder from if they offered the option. Whether they do or not is their > choice. He does, and I take advantage of it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Reagan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > >> He has that right. It's his company. >> Chris >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:17 PM >> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >> >> >>> He wasn't being rude to them. He was being honest. He was saying that, >>> based on their attitude toward him, he would not be selling them his >>> games. >>> Pure and simple. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>> >>> >>>> James >>>> you are not exactly fair to the people on this this list either. You >>>> are >>>> constantly sending them rude messages about how you will not sell them >>>> your >>>> game, >>>> unfortunately for you I really don't think most of them were going to >>>> buy >>>> your games anyway. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "James from Alchemy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:39 PM >>>> Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, Thomas. >>>>> >>>>> You're right; Brenda is not neutral on Alchemy topics or James North >>>>> topics. >>>>> But, you'd be hard-pressed to see her step down as moderator. When >>>>> Adrian >>>>> gave up ownership of the list, it was handed over to Brenda and Kevin. >>>>> No >>>>> disrespect to Kevin because I think he does a better job at it, but >>>>> it's >>>>> evident that Brenda wears the pants when it comes to this gig (and, >>>>> was >>>>> so >>>>> when David Lant was co-moderator as well). I think it was a bad >>>>> decision >>>>> to >>>>> pass ownership on the way it was, but that's in the past. Brenda >>>>> makes >>>>> it >>>>> very clear in her posts--even if under her breath--who she doesn't >>>>> like >>>>> with >>>>> an acerbic tone and disposition and, in this case, picked the >>>>> confrontation >>>>> as I was only joking regarding the $15. I'm surprised these messages >>>>> are >>>>> even making it through as, in the past, she's blocked any discontent >>>>> with >>>>> her from reaching the list. Remember Animal Farm? Well, then there >>>>> ya >>>>> go! >>>>> *grin* >>>>> >>>>> - James >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Thomas Ward >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:25 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>>> >>>>> Hi, charles. >>>>> Agreed. Given Brenda's last stunt I think we should replace her with a >>>>> new mod. One more fair, and will not flame, will not release personal >>>>> information, and one willing to be neutral on topics like this. >>>>> It is clear from the tone of Brenda's prier posts that that she is not >>>>> completely neutral on the Alchemy topics. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Charles Rivard wrote: >>>>>> Your bashing of James North on the list, which has been pointed out >>>>> several >>>>>> times in the past, was out of line, especially for a list >>>>>> owner/moderator. >>>>> >>>>>> If you cannot see it, you're not looking. As far as the 2 off list >>>>> Emails, >>>>>> I don't think you should have posted the second one while seemingly >>>>>> protecting the sender's identity. If anyone reads it, they will know >>>>>> who >>>>>> the sender was, won't they? That appeared to be sneaky and rather >>>>>> underhanded, in my opinion. And I do not mind letting people know >>>>>> that >>>>>> I >>>>>> sent the first off list posting to the owner/moderator Email address. >>>>>> I >>>>> do >>>>>> think that if a moderator does not follow the guidelines, that >>>>>> moderator >>>>>> should either step down or be put down, and replaced. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:41 AM >>>>>> Subject: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Something to think about, no responses needed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First I would like to apologize to Kevin who has taken the brunt of >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> thread since I've been working. Yes, I do have a life away from this >>>>>>> list >>>>> >>>>>>> . I do have a job and a family. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am I to take it as an owner/moderator of this list I'm not entitled >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> an >>>>> >>>>>>> opinion? I really don't know how this thread went from clarification >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> whether "orders" or "pre-orders" were being taken for Monty to where >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> ended up. I stated that I'd wait until the game was released and >>>>>>> stated >>>>>>> the fact for my decision. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The following are messages between James North and myself, some of >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> were sent privately. I'd just like to know where the flaming is. I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> never, on or off the list, reverted to insults or namecalling. I do >>>>>>> state >>>>> >>>>>>> the fact, ask unwelcome questions, and occasionally give my opinion. >>>>>>> There's also a couple of messages from other list members who shall >>>>> remain >>>>>>> nameless unless they choose to admit to them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's right James, who needs that extra $15. Given your record with >>>>>>> pre-ordering, I'm surprised you'd even offer it as a pre-order. >>>>>>> "raceway" >>>>> >>>>>>> was offered for pre-order in 2001 and is still not available to >>>>>>> those >>>>>>> who >>>>> >>>>>>> paid good cash for it. Monty was "shipping" November 2003 and >>>>>>> recalled. >>>>>>> I >>>>> >>>>>>> don't know of anybody that actually got the game. Now, more than a >>>>>>> year >>>>>>> later, you're offering Monty for pre-order? I for one, will wait >>>>>>> until >>>>>>> it >>>>> >>>>>>> is actually released to take a look at it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, and that old adage.. if you have nothing nice to say.. I don't >>>>>>> recall >>>>> >>>>>>> anyone twisting YOUR arm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's correct, Brenda. And, I also didn't possess "Raceway" for an >>>>>>> entire year. However, I essentially donated four years of my life >>>>>>> doing >>>>>>> the community a favor. If you don't want to pre-order, then simply >>>>> don't. >>>>>>> Your innuendos aren't necessary. In fact, let me do you a favor in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> spirit of your natural disposition. I won't sell it to you, even >>>>>>> after >>>>>>> it's released--very soon, by the way--I'll, in your name, raise the >>>>>>> price >>>>> >>>>>>> to $49.95. So, if anyone wants to pre-order it, they'd better get >>>>>>> busy. >>>>>>> Ain't that right, Brenda? *smile* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: James North >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brenda, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am I to assume that my response to your inflammatory post on the BG >>>>>>> List >>>>>>> will not be going through since only the last post of mine did? I >>>>>>> assume >>>>> >>>>>>> you made a quick maneuver after posting yours and then put me back >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> moderated status as my posts have been coming through regularly very >>>>>>> quickly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> James >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: brenda green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> To: James North >>>>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No James, I did not put you on moderated status. Furthermore, I do >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> intend on doing that. If you step over the line, you will be dealt >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> the same as any other member of the list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My post only stated facts and if you take it as flaming then perhaps >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> need to consider what was said. You and I both know those facts are >>>>>>> true. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brenda Green >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ---- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: James North >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: 'brenda green' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Post & Status >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brenda, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I know was you went from toning Will down and saying, "Let's >>>>>>> see >>>>> what >>>>>>> happens.." and, basically, that I have a track record of coming >>>>>>> through-albeit, often at the last minute-and, then the snide remark >>>>>>> about >>>>> >>>>>>> pre-ordering and then again tonight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't expect special treatment, so that's the last time you need >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> imply that. Honestly, whether I'm on the list or not is >>>>>>> inconsequential. >>>>> >>>>>>> As soon as I post an update to my customer base, it's on the list, >>>>> anyway. >>>>>>> I have eight hundred other people to send updates to. The benefit >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> being on the list is that people can ask me questions directly. >>>>>>> That's >>>>>>> why I'm there. But, if that privilege is abused, then I'll >>>>>>> unsubscribe >>>>>>> again. That's not being arrogant or a threat, but keeping up on the >>>>>>> list >>>>> >>>>>>> does take time out of my day. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as Monty, I really don't want to air my own personal business >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> what 2004 was like, but I'll bet money that you'd be hard pressed to >>>>>>> find >>>>> >>>>>>> any of my customer's who have had as much on their plate while >>>>>>> trying >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> maintain a regular job and still work on these games for you guys. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know what the facts are-they're in black and white in the posts. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> anyone's in doubt, they can back track through the thread and then >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> will, too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sure there are probably a lot of people who would care less if I >>>>>>> didn't keep working on the games and disappeared, but there are also >>>>>>> a >>>>> lot >>>>>>> who depend on it on a few different levels. And, I do have a track >>>>> record >>>>>>> and if delays can't be taken into consideration based on not only >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> games I have written and released, not to mention inspiring others >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> follow suit, then I really don't know what to tell them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I re-subscribed to be more available to the community. If you >>>>>>> really >>>>> need >>>>>>> to get into a pissing match with me for whatever animosity you still >>>>>>> seem >>>>> >>>>>>> to have from whatever a few years ago, then just say so or if I'm >>>>>>> put >>>>> back >>>>>>> on moderated status, say so. And, I'll unsubscribe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It really, truly, and honestly makes no difference to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> James >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At this point, I refused to responp further, both on and off the >>>>>>> list, >>>>>>> as >>>>> >>>>>>> the next post shows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: brenda green >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> James, I have a question for you. This question does not apply to me >>>>> since >>>>>>> I have not pre-ordered Raceway and you refuse to sell me Monty. >>>>>>> Somebody >>>>>>> asked me and I'm referring the question to you since you now have >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> rights to both games. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before I ask the question though, perhaps you can clarify one point >>>>>>> please. During the year or so when AdoraEntertainment owned Raceway >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> refused to take pre-orders. All pre-orders were placed with you, it >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> true or false? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm asking you this question on the list because I don't have the >>>>>>> answer >>>>>>> and others on the list may be interested in the answer as well as >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> person that asked me. If a person has pre-ordered Raceway from you >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> they'd like to get Monty, can they change their order since the same >>>>>>> company owns both games? If there's a price difference, can they pay >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> difference and get Monty instead of Raceway? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brenda Green >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Brenda. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's correct. All pre-orders for Raceway were placed with me >>>>>>> except >>>>>>> during the period that Adora owned the game for which they took no >>>>>>> pre-orders. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Converting a Raceway order to a Monty order would be fine. If >>>>>>> anyone's >>>>>>> interested, e-mail >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - James >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've removed headers, names and signatures from the following two >>>>>>> messages. If the senders whis to make themselves known, they can do >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> themselves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: personal opinion >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is well known that Brenda does not get along with James North. >>>>>>> Open >>>>>>> hostility has been shown by her posts to the list. Should someone >>>>>>> who, >>>>> on >>>>>>> a fairly regular basis, does not follow the list guidelines by >>>>>>> showing >>>>>>> such open hostility, be a moderator? In my opinion, no. At least, >>>>>>> her >>>>>>> own messages should be moderated by the list owner. If she cannot >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> least follow the guidelines, she should be replaced as a moderator. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Brenda, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm just writing you off list to say that I think that it is a good >>>>>>> thing >>>>> >>>>>>> that you bring up Mr North's pre-order record whenever he makes >>>>>>> known >>>>> that >>>>>>> he is looking for them. I think of your messages as a public >>>>>>> service >>>>>>> message to new comers and I'm glad that you do them as it seems that >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> can not post any sort of negative message about Mr North, his games >>>>>>> or >>>>> his >>>>>>> previous pre-order record to the list without occurring the wrath of >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> moderator, others and Mr North himself no matter how non flaming and >>>>>>> factual the message may be. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Several of you may be interested in this bit of news. I have, for >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> time, been seriously considering leaving the list both as an >>>>>>> owner/moderator and a member. The last couple of days does not >>>>>>> influence >>>>>>> my decision. It will probably happen some time during late 2006. 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