I see, thanks for the information. This home was built in 1941. back in the time in the U.S when things were built to last! Not acording to who the cheapist contracter was. I'll have to ask my neighbor but I bet his home is the same way with the 2 by 8's.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas > Joists refer to horizontal structural members. They are the planks set on > edge under a floor or over a ceiling. It gets a little complicated because > when talking of a roof frame, the more or less triangular structures now > commonly used and known as trusses will call the horizontal members > stringers or something else. It is very unusual to have 2 by 8 as the > joists > over a ceiling except between the stories of a multi-storied home and > usually those will be 2 by 10 or more. > > In a ceiling, 24 inch centres are not unusual even with 2 by 4 > construction > and these days with engineered trusses there may not even be 2 by 4. > > Partitions are the walls which separate rooms. The wall between kitchen > and > livingroom usually provides support for a ceiling particularly if it runs > perpendicular to the ceiling joists. Often they are weight bearing walls > and > should not be removed or if modified, should be reinforced across the tops > of doors to help support the weight above. > > > > Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype DaleLeavens > Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shawn Keen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas > > >> >> Just so I am using the right terminology are Joist the 2 by 8 boards that >> go >> across the sealing or the floor of the attic.? Also what are partitions? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas >> >> >>> The joists then are probably on 24 inch centers. Depending a little on >>> how >>> many partitions are under, 2 by 8 should be quite good. >>> >>> Commonly the sub floor is made of tongue and grooved 5/8th plywood which >>> comes in 4 by 8 foot sheets. I doubt you will be able to get them >>> through >>> the trap door. You may be able to buy planks of ship which has a rabbet >>> along the edges which you nail through to the joist overlapping each >>> piece. >>> You may even be able to buy tongue & groove. Traditionally such planks >>> are >>> nailed down diagonally across the joists. >>> >>> If you are going to live in the space then you will either want to bring >>> heat into it or remove the insulation to permit heat to rise into the >>> space. >>> You will then want to keep that heat from contacting the under side of >>> the >>> roof decking unless you live in a moderate climate. Because there is an >>> air >>> conditioner I am guessing you will want to insulate against heat on the >>> roof >>> from heating that space, either way you will need to maintain air >>> circulation under the roof decking. You can leave the insulation over >>> the >>> ceiling for it's sound properties and if you are just using the space >>> for >>> storage then it won't matter much. >>> >>> You may like to bring some more electricity up there, lots of people >>> like >>> to >>> run a radio shack from their attic or model trains, things like that. >>> >>> Have fun! >>> >>> >>> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Skype DaleLeavens >>> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Shawn Keen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:19 AM >>> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] home remodeling ideas >>> >>> >>>> Okay, I had another look. >>>> >>>>> What do they have for a floor up there now? >>>> a board that's probably about 3 foot wide and 8 feet long. that's a >>>> guestament. >>>> the beams up there are 2 by 8. >>>> Only the space just beyond the ladder and too the air conditioning unit >>>> is >>>> covered right now. >>>>> >>>>> Generally you wouldn't be able to get sheets of plywood up through the >>>>> trap >>>>> door so you will need to use plank construction. One trouble though is >>>>> nailing, the joists are probably only 2 by 4 and not rigid enough, >>>>> hammering >>>>> and moving about particularly over wider spans like a living room will >>>>> probably cause movement and cracks in the ceiling plaster or screws or >>>>> nails >>>>> to pop. >>>> >>>> Just guessing but I think the beams up there are about 3 feet apart. I >>>> didn't look at all of them but the ones around the opening were. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> You could screw or use a power nailer. >>>> >>>> Oh for-sure, . grin screws all the way. >>>> >>>> >>>> Guess I'll be making a trip to home depot next weekend. 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