I'll look for one of those, thanks. it is really hard to cut the lath without loosening it at least or cracking the plaster. I did get one on this level and eventually I'll get the second one up stairs, for now though we meet the new fire code requirements.
Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & S Enterprises" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Rewiring a House > Well if the clamps are on the inside or you can pry out another knockout > the > use of afish tape might work. Sometimes taking out the box is quicker in > the longrun. If one is working in a wall dropping a small chain from > above > and a second person fishing with a single wire hook can produce results. > Smoke alarms??? In the ceiling I guess. Mount what is called a ceiling > pan > on the surface. Did I understand correctly you already had the cable ran? > A ceiling pan is a round junction box that is only 1/2 inch in depth. If > you carefully cut chisel out the plaster you can then mount it to the > lath > without cutting them. The box is flush with the finished plaster. If the > canopy of the new fixture/smoke alarm is deep enough the ceiling pan is > totally covered even if mounted on top of the plaster. They usually come > in > a 3 or 3 1/2 inch diameter. Seems like maybe even a 4 inch. Probably > depends onn the brand. > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Rewiring a House > > >> Ok, >> >> I was hoping you had a better way than I for rewiring these old houses. I >> thought maybe you had a method of getting new wire into old fixtures >> which >> did not require removing them, I sure haven't figured a way. Even >> installing >> new stuff into old plaster & lath sucks and is why I haven't yet >> installed >> the last of my smoke alarms. >> >> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype DaleLeavens >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "R & S Enterprises" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 3:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Rewiring a House >> >> >>> Well Dale I am not sure what you mean by a bayonet fetting. The one >>> that >>> comes to my mind is the two screws that clamp a semi flat piece of steel >>> against the back and the two screws are only accessible from outside the >>> box. The fitting then fits into a 1/2 inch knock out and is held in >>> with >>> a >>> locknut. Some times you can snake a slim screwdriver along side the >>> box, >>> but not if the screws are away from you. Last resort pry the box away >>> from >>> the stud slightly and saw the nails off with a sawsall,metal cutting >>> jigsaw >>> or a hand hacksaw blade and remove the box from the wall. They can be >>> reused by drilling holes in the side of the box next to the stud and >>> installing a couple of screws. Code doesn't reqquire stapling to the >>> stud >>> when fishing in voids. >>> And as someone said this is nothing but hot dirty nasty work. By the >>> way >>> if >>> it was done correct originally only one lath was totally cut out the one >>> at >>> the and bottom was only notched or at least if it was installed after >>> the >>> lath. Of course if the lath was installed after the wire and box >>> anything >>> could have been done. I guess the notched lath was more for a new box >>> being >>> installed in an existing lath and plaster wall. Lots of ways to do >>> things >>> and every box may be different in his house. >>> Ron >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dale Leavens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Rewiring a House >>> >>> >>>>I have done a lot of that here, mostly though I was able to open a wall >>>>and >>>> recover it with drywall. Cutting plaster & lath is hard to do without >>>> making >>>> a mess of it and it destroys saws. >>>> >>>> I would like to know though how you pull cable into an existing box. >>>> The >>>> old >>>> ones usually have a sort of bayonet fitting with a pinch screw >>>> arrangement >>>> into the box and are inaccessible from inside the box. >>>> >>>> Anyway, a lot of it is just damn hard and dirty work and tough on the >>>> hands. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Skype DaleLeavens >>>> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "R & S Enterprises" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 10:29 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Rewiring a House >>>> >>>> >>>>> As one person has mentioned the surface raceway is one solution. >>>>> Let's >>>>> look >>>>> at traditional methods. Some things to consider. Is there >>>>> insulation >>>>> in >>>>> the exterior walls? Is the attic accessible? Is this a one story >>>>> house? >>>>> Is there a unfinished basement or workable crawl space? If there is >>>>> workable spaces new holes can be drilled and romex ran. You didn't >>>>> mention >>>>> is there were metal switch and outlet boxees or are the devices >>>>> mounted >>>>> to >>>>> the lath? 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