Hi Scott, I think there is an article up on the site I wrote on how I sweat copper pipe. It takes some patience and isn't without some risk of burns but if you have reasonable ears to hear the flame and a light touch with the solder it can be done.
If there isn't such an article I can probably write another one but it takes some time and I doubt I will be able to do so in the next couple of weeks. I do remember writing a rather lengthy description for this list many years ago and a couple of others for a lady who was the teaching assistant for a young lad in an school a couple of years ago, perhaps someone can let us know if there is such an article up there. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves > Ah, yes manifold, I couldn't think of the proper name. Well I guess > the question I have for you is how you sweated the valve. Not having > sight, I wouldn't say I wouldn't try, but I'd sure want to know how > it could be done so I wouldn't wind up with a leak on my hands. grin > > > Scott > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Apr 16, 2007, at 8:29 PM, Dale Leavens wrote: > >> Well, the first thing you will need to do if changing the main shut- >> off >> valve is to have the water turned off at the street. After that >> code takes >> over but I had one fail several years ago, actually what happened >> was the >> Plummer over tightened the waste cap so when I released it to drain >> water >> from my system it flew off and another could not be installed >> because it was >> the male thread which was gone which left me with nothing to do but >> turn off >> the main. I was able to isolate some of the house and feed water >> through the >> outside taps and hoses to my neighbour's house. Of course it >> happened on a >> Saturday night because that was when I was doing the work. The town >> sent a >> fellow around in the morning to locate the cock at the back lane >> which he >> managed to break but fortunately in the off position. I had then to >> wait >> until Monday to get a back hoe to excavate to the water main and >> instal >> another valve out there in the lane. In the meantime the fellow who >> owns our >> local hardware store opened it Sunday morning and got me a new shut- >> off >> valve which I sweated in to replace the old. I only wish too that >> it had >> been a ball valve, I don't know if that is code though. >> >> Our water here isn't metered yet although there is some talk of it >> recently. >> >> What you do after the meter though is probably your business. I >> believe that >> any fittings underground though must be flare fittings and it is a >> flare >> fitting here just before the first indoor shut-off. I know because >> i removed >> it to sweat it off of the damaged valve and back on the new valve. I >> couldn't just cut it off because I didn't have the tools to create >> a new >> flare and at that point didn't fancy buying them because I wasn't >> sure the >> municipality would pick up the cost of replacing the one in the >> ground and >> this money saving plumbing job was suddenly looking at getting very >> expensive. >> >> That box arrangement you were speaking of is called a manifold. >> Because of >> the cost and relative ease of running individual PEX to each >> location and >> with fewer joints and often longer sweeps of curves it is practical >> to use >> slightly smaller pipe directly to each fixture. One advantage is >> that it is >> easier to isolate any individual fixture. With smaller hot water >> tubes there >> is less standing hot water in the pipe so the water runs hot sooner >> and less >> heat is lost standing in the pipe. >> >> Another technique is to run branch manifolds where maybe you run a >> line to a >> bathroom then break it out into multiple branches to service the >> fixtures >> there, another to the laundry and so on.Of course the standard >> trunk method >> is also still used. >> >> I did find a wonderful site with little video clips and text >> transcriptions >> of the audio of those clips last night which I had intended to >> bookmark and >> send along but inadvertently lost it while distracted to something >> else. If >> I find it again I will do better. >> >> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype DaleLeavens >> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:24 PM >> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves >> >> > Folks, here's another issue I need to deal with. >> > >> > We have this 2 by 4 foot hole in the wall where one accesses the >> > water meter and shutoff valves. Here's the deal, I want to shrink >> > the hole a good bit and this would also please my wife. So what I >> > want to do is remove the two old gate valves which aren't really >> > leaking, but if you turn them off, they tend to drip and well they >> > are getting a lot of settament built up on them. I figure they are >> > gonna faile and yes they do, I had this happen in my previous home. >> > Well the idea is to replace these with ball-valves which are nearly >> > fail proof. So, since I don't swet pipes and not sure if I could do >> > it or explain to my wife how to do it, I was wondering if first >> would >> > it be code (I live in Maryland) or could it be up to code to use >> > compression fittings and secondly would it be a wise idea to >> begin with. >> > My other thought is while I'm thinking about all this, I may look to >> > a pipe replacement project at some point, either a little at a time >> > or might go all out. I'm considering PEX or some similar material >> and >> > so would need to mate this with coper since I'm working from the >> main >> > line into the house and the meter has a valve on either side and of >> > course its all coper. >> > Any thought appreciated. >> > >> > tnx >> > >> > Scott >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To listen to the show archives go to link >> > http://acbradio.org/handyman.html >> > or >> > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ >> > >> > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. >> > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday >> > >> > The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. >> > http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml >> > >> > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From >> Various >> > List Members At The Following address: >> > http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ >> > >> > Visit the new archives page at the following address >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind >> Handy Man >> > list just send a blank message to: >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Yahoo! 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