Hi Rob, It may be but you are going to have to get the steel you are joining up to over 800F all along the seam in order to get the brazing to flow and to get sucked into the joint. That is a load of heat.
Still, it may be possible. Thin sheet metal is a likely candidate I would think, what is it you intend to braze? Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Monitor To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] brazing Hi, Well from what I was told from a guy down the road is that the MAP gas burns a lot hotter then the regular propane gas... That's why I was told that I could use my torch... THANKS ROB from Minnesota ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Leavens To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] brazing Hello Rob, I lifted the below from Wikipedia. My guess is that you won't get anything like enough heat out of a soldering torch to do any significant brazing. I have never attempted brazing myself, I would like to be able to do a little welding, enough to tack angle iron and tubing but so far haven't had any opportunity to learn. Good luck and keep us informed. Hope this helps. Brazing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Your continued donations keep Wikipedia running! Brazing From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search This article is about the metal joining process. For the cooking technique, see braising. Brazing is a joining process whereby a non- ferrous filler metal or alloy is heated to melting temperature above 450 °C (842°F), or, by the traditional definition that has been used in the United States, above 800°F (425) °C and distributed between two or more close-fitting parts by capillary action. At its liquid temperature, the molten filler metal and flux interacts with a thin layer of the base metal, cooling to form an exceptionally strong, sealed joint due to grain structure interaction. With certain metals, such as Nitinol (Nickel Titanium) and Niobium, a low temperature eutectic can form. This leads to the bonding of the two metals at a point that can be substantially lower than their respective melting temperatures. The brazed joint becomes a sandwich of different layers, each metallurgically linked to the adjacent layers. Common brazements are about 1/3 as strong as the materials they join because the metals partially dissolve each other at the interface and usually the grain structure and joint alloy is uncontrolled. To create high-strength brazes, sometimes a brazement can be annealed, or cooled at a controlled rate, so that the joint's grain structure and alloying is controlled. It is also at 1/3 strength because the metal used to braze is usually weaker than the substrate metal because it melts at a lower temperature, ensuring the substrate does not melt. Contents [ hide] List of 8 items (contains 2 nested lists) . 1 Common Techniques List of 4 items nesting level 1 . 1.1 Silver brazing . 1.2 Braze welding . 1.3 Cast iron "welding" . 1.4 Vacuum brazing list end nesting level 1 . 2 Brazing Fundamentals List of 3 items nesting level 1 . 2.1 Flux . 2.2 Brazing strength/Joint geometry . 2.3 Filler materials list end nesting level 1 . 3 Advantages of brazing . 4 Possible problems . 5 Brazing processes . 6 Further reading . 7 See also . 8 External links list end [ edit] Common Techniques [ edit] Silver brazing If silver alloy is used, brazing can be referred to as 'silver brazing'. Colloquially, the inaccurate terms "silver soldering" or "hard soldering" are used, to distinguish from the process of low temperature soldering that is done with solder having a melting point below 450 °C (842 °F), or, as traditionally defined in the United States, having a melting point below 800°F or 425 °C. Silver brazing is similar to soldering but higher temperatures are used and the filler metal has a significantly different composition and higher melting point than solder. Likewise, silver brazing often requires the prior machining of parts to be joined to very close tolerances prior to joining them, to establish a joint gap distance of a few micrometres or mils for proper capillary action during joining of parts, whereas soldering does not require gap distances that are nearly this small for successful joining of parts. Silver brazing works especially well for joining tubular thick-walled metal pipes, provided the proper fit-up is done prior to joining the parts. [ edit] Braze welding In another similar usage, brazing is the use of a bronze or brass filler rod coated with flux together with an oxyacetylene torch, to join pieces of steel. The American Welding Society prefers to use the term Braze Welding for this process, as capillary attraction is not involved, unlike the prior silver brazing example. Braze welding takes place at the melting temperature of the filler (e.g., 870 °C to 980 °C or 1600 °F to 1800 °F for bronze alloys) which is often considerably lower than the melting point of the base material (e.g., 1600 °C (2900 °F) for mild steel). In Braze Welding or Fillet Brazing, a bead of filler material reinforces the joint. A braze-welded tee joint is shown here. In Braze Welding or Fillet Brazing, a bead of filler material reinforces the joint. A braze-welded tee joint is shown here. [ edit] Cast iron "welding" The "welding" of cast iron is usually a brazing operation, with a filler rod made chiefly of nickel being used although true welding with cast iron rods is also available. [ edit] Vacuum brazing Vacuum brazing is another materials joining technique, one that offers extremely clean, superior, flux-free braze joints while providing high integrity and strength. The process can be expensive because it is performed inside a vacuum chamber vessel; however, the advantages are significant. For example, furnace operating temperatures, when using specialized vacuum vessels, can reach temperatures of 2400 °C. Other high temperature vacuum furnaces are available ranging from 1500 °C and up at a much lesser cost. Temperature uniformity is maintained on the work piece when heating in a vacuum, greatly reducing residual stresses because of slow heating and cooling cycles. This, in turn, can have a significant impact on the thermal and mechanical properties of the material, thus providing unique heat treatment capabilities. One such capability is heat treating or age hardening the work piece while performing a metal-joining process, all in a single furnace thermal cycle. [ edit] Brazing Fundamentals In order to work properly, parts must be closely fitted and the base metals must be exceptionally clean and free of oxides for achieving the highest strengths for brazed joints. For capillary action to be effective, joint clearances of 50 to 150 µm (0.002 to 0.006 inch) are recommended. In braze-welding, where a thick bead is deposited, tolerances may be relaxed to 0.5 mm (0.020 inch). Cleaning of surfaces can be done in several ways. Whichever method is selected, it is vitally important to remove all grease, oils, and paint. For custom jobs and part work, this can often be done with fine sand paper or steel wool. In pure brazing (not braze welding), it is vitally important to use sufficiently fine abrasive. Coarse abrasive can lead to deep scoring that interferes with capillary action and final bond strength. Residual particulates from sanding should be thoroughly cleaned from pieces. In assembly line work, a "pickling bath" is often used to dissolve oxides chemically. Diluted sulfuric acid is often used. Pickling is also often employed on metals like aluminum that are particularly prone to oxidation. [ edit] Flux In most cases, flux is required to prevent oxides from forming while the metal is heated and also helps to spread out the metal that is used to seal the joint. The most common fluxes for bronze brazing are borax- based. The flux can be applied in a number of ways. It can be applied as a paste with a brush directly to the parts to be brazed. Commercial pastes can be purchased or made up from powder combined with water (or in some cases, alcohol). Brazing pastes are also commercially available, combining filler metal powder, flux powder, and a non-reacting vehicle binder. Alternatively, brazing rods can be heated and then dipped into dry flux powder to coat them in flux. Brazing rods can also be purchased with a coating of flux, or a flux core. In either case, the flux flows into the joint when the rod is applied to the heated joint. Using a special torch head, special flux powders can be blown onto the workpiece using the torch flame itself. Excess flux should be removed when the joint is completed. Flux left in the joint can lead to corrosion. During the brazing process, flux may char and adhere to the work piece. Often this is removed by quenching the still-hot workpiece in water (to loosen the flux scale), followed by wire brushing the remainder. [ edit] Brazing strength/Joint geometry Brazing is different from welding, where even higher temperatures are used, the base material melts and the filler material (if used at all) has the same composition as the base material. Given two joints with the same geometry, brazed joints are generally not as strong as welded joints but if properly designed & executed, a brazed joint is stronger than the parent metal. Careful matching of joint geometry to the forces acting on the joint & properly maintained clearance between two mating parts however, can lead to very strong brazed joints, too. The butt joint is the weakest geometry for tensile forces. The lap joint is much stronger, as it resists through shearing action rather than tensile pull and its surface area is much larger. To get braze joints roughly equivalent in strength to a weld, a general rule of thumb is to make the overlap equal to 3 times the thickness of the pieces of metal being joined. [ edit] Filler materials A variety of alloys of metals, including silver, tin, zinc, copper and others are used as filler for brazing processes. There are specific brazing alloys and fluxes recommended, depending on which metals are to be joined. Metals such as aluminum can be brazed, although aluminum requires more skill and special fluxes. It conducts heat much better than steel and is more prone to oxidation. Some metals, such as titanium cannot be brazed because they are insoluble with other metals, or have an oxide layer that forms too quickly at high temperatures. Brazing filler material is commonly available as flux-coated rods, very similar to stick-welding electrodes. Typical sizes are 3 mm (1/8") diameter. Some widely available filler materials are: List of 3 items . Nickel-Silver: Usually with blue flux coating. 600 MPa (85,000 psi) tensile strength, 680 - 950 °C (1250-1750°F) working temperature. Used for carbon and alloy steels and most metals not including aluminum. . Bronze: Available with white borax flux coating. 420 MPa (60,000 psi) tensile strength. 870 °C (1600°F) working temperature. Used for copper, steel, galvanized metal, and other metals not including aluminum. . Brass: Uncoated plain brass brazing rod is often used, but requires the use of some type of additional flux. list end [ edit] Advantages of brazing Although there is a popular belief that brazing is an inferior substitute for welding, it has advantages over welding in many situations. For example, brazing brass has a strength and hardness near that of mild steel and is much more corrosion-resistant. In some applications, brazing is highly preferred. For example, silver brazing is the customary method of joining high-reliability, controlled-strength corrosion-resistant piping such as a nuclear submarine's seawater coolant pipes. Silver brazed parts can also be precisely machined after joining, to hide the presence of the joint to all but the most discerning observers, whereas it is nearly impossible to machine welds having any residual slag present and still hide joints. List of 1 items . The lower temperature of brazing and brass-welding is less likely to distort the work piece, significantly change the crystalline structure (create a heat affected zone) or induce thermal stresses. For example, when large iron castings crack, it is almost always impractical to repair them with welding. In order to weld cast-iron without recracking it from thermal stress, the work piece must be hot-soaked to 870 °C (1600 °F). When a large (more than 50 kg (100 lb)) casting cracks in an industrial setting, heat-soaking it for welding is almost always impractical. Often the casting only needs to be watertight, or take mild mechanical stress. Brazing is the preferred repair method in these cases. list end List of 1 items . The lower temperature associated with brazing vs. welding can increase joining speed and reduce fuel gas consumption. list end List of 1 items . Brazing can be easier for beginners to learn than welding. list end List of 1 items . For thin workpieces (e.g., sheet metal or thin-walled pipe) brazing is less likely to result in burn-through. list end List of 1 items . Brazing can also be a cheap and effective technique for mass production. Components can be assembled with preformed plugs of filler material positioned at joints and then heated in a furnace or passed through heating stations on an assembly line. The heated filler then flows into the joints by capillary action. list end List of 1 items . Braze-welded joints generally have smooth attractive beads that do not require additional grinding or finishing. The most common filler materials are gold in colour, but fillers that more closely match the color of the base materials can be used if appearance is important. list end [ edit] Possible problems A brazing operation may cause defects in the base metal, especially if it is in stress. This can be due either to the material not being properly annealed before brazing, or to thermal expansion stress during heating. An example of this is the silver brazing of copper-nickel alloys, where even moderate stress in the base material causes intergranular penetration by molten filler material during brazing, resulting in cracking at the joint. Any flux residues left after brazing (inside or out) must be thoroughly removed; otherwise, severe corrosion may eventually occur. [ edit] Brazing processes List of 13 items . Pinbrazing . Block Brazing . Diffusion Brazing . Dip Brazing . Exothermic Brazing . Flow Brazing . Furnace Brazing . Induction Brazing . Infrared Brazing . Resistance Brazing . Torch Brazing . Twin Carbon Arc Brazing . Vacuum Brazing list end [ edit] Further reading List of 2 items . M.J.Fletcher, "Vacuum Brazing". Mills and Boon Limited: London, 1971. . P.M.Roberts, "Industrial Brazing Practice" CRC Press, Boca Raton, Florida, 2004. list end [ edit] See also List of 2 items . Welding . Soldering list end [ edit] External links List of 5 items . The Brazing Guide - Information on industrial brazing procedures, atmospheres, alloys and equipment . The Brazing Book - A manual also available in print . American Welding Society, publishers of industry standards on brazing . AWS Brazing and soldering forum . 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Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a US-registered 501(c)(3) tax-deductible nonprofit charity. . Privacy policy . About Wikipedia . Disclaimers list end Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Monitor To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] brazing Hi, does any one know any thing about brazing?? So far I have got some MAP gas for my hand torch it's the same one that I have used for soldering. Also got some brazing rods now what I need to know do you more or less do the brazing the same as soldering??? THANKS ROB from Minnesota [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
