I can say that they won't permit open pilot lights in a new installation here 
any more and haven't for about 20 years. I suppose when amplified across a city 
full of furnaces the amount of gas burned is substantial.

Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Ferrin 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 4:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] retro fitting a furnace


  Thanks Dale for the independent confirmation on almost exactly what my 
furnace guy said here yesterday. If I didn't know better I'd say you and he 
compared notes on everything right down to the closed system of venting 
everything ETC. I trust the guy but figured it wouldn't hurt to get some other 
ideas and or opinions for sure. 
  David Ferrin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dale Leavens 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 3:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] retro fitting a furnace

  No doubt you will save money but $500 will take a long time. Just now I think 
we are paying about 35 cents a cubic meter which means you will have to save 
around 1500 cubic meters over what ever time period to make up the cost. Gas 
will doubtless go up in time too which will shorten that pay-back period a bit 
more.

  A better investment but a more expensive one would be to change the furnace 
out for a closed combustion one and if you have a gas hot water tank to change 
that too so you get rid of the chimney. There you save both the standing pilots 
and the constant heat loss up the flu. A new furnace though will cost rather 
more than 500 bucks. An open flu though is like having a hole in the roof the 
size of the draft opening where the furnace and/or the water tank vent into the 
chimney and it is drawing warmed house air out constantly. When the furnace is 
operating it too is burning already heated home air for combustion. Along with 
the added efficiency, most run these days in excess of 90% you might reduce 
your consumption by as much as half if you can block up the chimney. Half is 
probably at the top end of optimism but it will be substantial.

  So much depends on how much you pay for gas now. 500 bucks though sounds a 
little steep but I haven't hired a furnace man recently, fifteen or sixteen 
years now, might be very reasonable.

  Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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  Skype DaleLeavens
  Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Ferrin 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:24 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] retro fitting a furnace

  I'm told that it is possible to convert my furnace from a thermocouple system 
to an electronic ignition starting system. Now having said that what I am 
looking for is opinions on if it is worth around $500 to have it done. 
Advantages of not having a pilot light should be obvious, but will it save 
enough money to make the investment pay off over time?
  David Ferrin

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