best tip I could give  someone who wanted to build a bike or anything 
elose is to make sure that welding surface is cleaned first with a wire 
brush. the cleaner the better. Lee



-- 
Underdogging:
        The tendency to almost invariably side with the underdog in a
given situation.  The consumer expression of this trait is the
purchasing of less successful, "sad," or failing products: "I know
these Vienna franks are heart failure on a stick, but they were so sad
looking up against all the other yuppie food items that I just had to
buy them."
                -- Douglas Coupland, "Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated
                   Culture"

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