I just knew it Boop. Duck tape is part of the answer. actually I was trying to behave a bit at a Friends house, not a blind guy at all but bet he wish he was a bat in hiding right now. they live in a nice old farm house with the original plaster walls. somehow I think he was trying to make beer atop the stove and do something with saurekraut at the same time in a different pressure cooker. I'm looking for a solid construction helment before visiting sighted families . Lee
-- CHUBBY CHECKER just had a CHICKEN SANDWICH in downtown DULUTH!
