Nokia also has a GPS programme on their Site and I think it too might be free.

LoadStone though doesn't really have points of interest except for those being 
built up by their users.

Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Otis Blue 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:54 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Wayfinder information.


  Hi,

  Also for the 60 series phone there's a free GPS program called loadstone. You 
can read about it at www.loadstone.com.

  Otis Blue
  Milwaukee Wisconsin
  53218-4349
  Voice: (414)-461-8885
  Fax: (414)-461-8856
  Cell: (414)-690-3013
  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  -----Original Message-----
  From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Dale Leavens
  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:47 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Wayfinder information.

  Sorry Tunecollector , I don't know your real name or maybe I forgot it.

  There are quite a number of suitable cell phones for the purpose most made by 
Nokia. They must be Symbion based which is the operating system for the 
computer in the phone. I think they must be the series 60 phones and the most 
recent are known as third generation. many of the older second generation 
phones will also work. There are probably two dozen models out there. You will 
also have to buy the talking software so you can access all of the features of 
the phone. There are two primary software authors, Talks and MobileSpeak. This 
is analogous to Jaws and WindowEyes I suppose although the functionality is 
probably closer. MobileSpeak also runs on some Windows Mobile phones but 
Wayfinder does not.

  You can spend between probably a hundred and fifty bucks maybe a little more 
for a phone up to probably a thousand bucks for something with a really 
sophisticated camera in it. I just forget what the Talks software costs.

  The principle I really like is the use of mainstream essentially off the 
shelf hardware and software. I have never agreed with the proprietary approach 
like Daisy players you have to return to the vendor to have batteries changed. 
I freely admit this is a personal prejudice. I dislike those braille notetakers 
and things like PacMate for similar reasons, in many ways they turn out to be 
expensive and isolating technologies.

  I can't think of any good reason why a GPS my neighbour buys for a couple of 
hundred bucks at the local Canadian Tire or Wal-mart store needs to cost me 
sixteen hundred bucks for similar functionality. They both use the same 
receiver which costs between 60 and a hundred bucks depending on the model..

  Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net> Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet 
Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: tunecollector
  To: [email protected] <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:24 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Wayfinder information.

  I think I am getting smaller. To use Wayfarer, it appears I must first get an 
accessible mobile phone. I am probably the only person outside of a Bantu tribe 
who doesn't have a cell phone. I think my grandchildren were born holding cell 
phones. So now, any ideas on an accessible cell phone?

  -----Original Message-----
  From: [email protected] <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:[email protected] <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:40 PM
  To: [email protected] <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Wayfinder information.

  Below is what I have lifted from the talknav Web site.

  Wayfinder Access

  Wayfinder Access

  A navigator that facilitates the everyday life of the visually impaired.

  When using Wayfinder Access navigation software, a wireless GPS receiver and 
a symbian enabled mobile phone we can bring you full freedom without the 
expense of a bulky package. PDA's are a very good business tool, however whilst 
walking or traveling you need something much more convenient that can be 
carried in your pocket. The mobile phone has become something we have all built 
our lives around and is the one item you would never leave home without, so why 
not leave your note taker behind and appear more natural, but at the same time 
be able to plan routes and know exactly where you are?

  Wayfinder, one of the Worlds most prominent satellite navigation software 
solution providers have partnered with the visually impaired community to 
produce Wayfinder Access. The worlds first bespoke navigation solution built 
specifically with the user group in mind, but importantly that works on a 
mobile phone and not a PDA. It boasts many impressive features primarily though 
the fact that it has been designed for the community user group in mind is 
though by far its biggest asset.

  Wayfinder Access comprises all the features that you would expect from a 
leading GPS software package, with a North American or European version 
currently available. The price stated on this site entitles the user to one 
license for either version. For those who travel frequently between both 
license regions, for a smaller fee a user can purchase additional map access to 
enable them to travel even further with just one license.

  Wayfinder Access Features:

  A where am I feature:

  At the press of a button whether you are in route mode or simply walking 
about Wayfinder Access can give you specific information about the local 
environment.
  This is as with other products such as Trekker 3. The types of information 
that you can receive is dependant on the vicinity view that you are using, see 
below for more details on the various vicinity views available. In general 
though you’ll be able to find out what street you are on and other such useful 
details.

  Viewing routes in advance:

  With Wayfinder Access as with Wayfinder Navigator users can plan, prepare and 
view a route in advance prior to taking that journey. This is very useful to 
get an idea of where you are going and the various places of interest on that 
given journey.

  20,000,000 points of interest (POI):

  Wayfinder Access has an expanded database of points of interest, increased 
from Navigators 3,000,000 to 20,000,000; this means that you have a much 
greater chance of finding just what you are looking for without having to know 
the specific address.
  The point of interest feature is also highly useful when in an unfamiliar 
location, for example find out your nearest restaurant, or find a museum or 
hotel when you are away from home. So many more useful and diverse applications 
exist for this feature we cant possibly list them all.

  A What is in my vicinity option, telling you local Pois and other useful 
information:

  This option is perfect for when you are out and about for example travelling 
on a train, no route needs to be planned in advance and you can simply have 
your phone announce to you points of interest as they come into a given range. 
See below for more details on the vicinity views available when using Wayfinder 
Access.

  A pedestrian and vehicle navigation option:

  Wayfinder Access can be used in both pedestrian mode for when you wish to 
walk about with your phone in your pocket, but can also be transferred back 
into vehicle mode for when a friend takes you out in their car etc., a major 
plus if the person doing the driving doesn’t know where they are going and 
doesn’t have a satellite navigation system. Or of course make sure that your 
taxi driver is genuinely taking you the quickest route!

  An increased benefit with Wayfinder Access is that when passenger car is 
selected as the method of transportation, Access reverts back automatically to 
Wayfinder Navigator. Whilst it works still fully with Talks this gives the 
added benefit of speed camera warnings updated free of charge and that the 
traditional Wayfinder classic female voice for audio direction prompting will 
be heard. Additional services include traffic avoidance features from Traffic 
Master Etc.

  NOTE: - If Access is used in pedestrian mode the classic Wayfinder female 
voice is not heard for directional guidance, and instead your screen reading 
application takes over this functionality, promoting a more streamlined and 
seamless approach to the delivery of audible information whilst on route.

  Routes dictated in metric or imperial:

  As with most satellite navigation systems, and with Wayfinder Navigator, 
Access can be set to dictate route information in either imperial or metric 
measurements.
  NOTE: - when in pedestrian mode routes are audible narrated by your screen 
reader application, whilst in passenger car this function is carried out by the 
classic Wayfinder female voice.

  Route planning options including fastest by speed or distance and the option 
to avoid motorways etc:

  As with other satellite navigation systems and Wayfinder Navigator, Access 
can be set to take you on the quickest route by either speed it should take to 
make that journey or quickest by distance, i.e. the shortest physical route. 
Obviously for pedestrian mode we would recommend fastest by distance as the 
alternative option, fastest by speed is really only relevant for vehicle mode.

  Save favourite locations and even share them with your friends:

  Wayfinder Access as with Navigator can store your favourite locations, these 
can be uploaded to Wayfinders server, enabling a safe backup of your favourites 
to be kept, and you can also send your stored locations via SMS to friends who 
use Wayfinder. Additionally, when using the `myWayfinder` service you can use 
and se your favourites online.
  This feature can also be useful as for example if you and a second party are 
travelling to a location but the second party cant quite find it. You can send 
your physical location to them at the press of a button. They can then 
instantly plot a route to your position.
  This is also useful if you need to direct somebody to where you are in the 
event that you are lost for example.

  Plan routes online and then have them sent to your phone:

  Using the `myWayfinder` service you can plan routes online and then have them 
sent to your phone, rather than using the handset software to find and plan 
journeys.

  Full postal code finder:

  Wayfinder Access can find full UK postal codes using its search facility, so 
you don’t have to type the full address information in.
  Traffic avoidance services including Traffic Master, Safety camera warnings 
updated free of charge,
  27 European countries supported within the European version, Complete USA and 
Canada coverage for the North American version,
  17 language choices available,
  If you have used Wayfinder Navigator then some of the key distinctive 
differences between Navigator and Access are; Seamless integration with Nuance 
Accessibility software including Talks and Code Factories mobile speech 
software.

  Where am I function: - by pressing the `talks` key and then the up arrow key 
the road that is currently on as well as the next turning information is 
announced, i.e. Smith Street, 25 meters turn left onto Duncan Street. This 
option as with products such as Trekker 3 is not route specific, i.e. you can 
use it anytime without planning a route.

  Visually accessible: - Maintains all the visual familiarity of Wayfinder 
Navigator, so that sighted people can still use the product and assist where 
necessary.
  Also existing Wayfinder navigator users will find the product easy to use and 
familiar.

  Four new additional vicinity views

  Crossing View: - This view tells the user how far they are to the next 
turning point and at what direction they will be making that maneuver i.e. 25 
meters turn left 90 degrees etc. This information is presented within a list 
style of view.

  Points of Interest POI: - Now with 20,000,000 Pois Wayfinder Access is more 
like a mobile directory as well as a navigation aid. Within the POI view the 
user can be told of Pois that are on their route within a set radius of their 
position. The types of Pois mentioned is discretionary allowing the user to 
choose which type of Pois they are informed of. The information is presented in 
a list format and again the direction is stated as a degree of angle.
  Note that Wayfinder Navigator only has 3,000,000 Pois.

  So whilst the user is on route to a given destination or simply walking 
around not in route mode, they will be notified of specific Pois on route 
within a set radius of their location and told which direction it is within. 
This view is one of the most impressive new features, and can be used to aid 
the user whilst they are on the train for example, as stations that are passed 
through can be announced.

  Favourites: - This view is the same as the POI view but shows any favourites 
that are stored, along with their direction shown as a degree of angle.

  Mixed Vicinity View: - Pois, Favourites and crossing information is all given 
to the user simultaneously within a list view.

  Other operational benefits include that Wayfinder Access can tell you your 
altitude, position as a longitudinal and latitudinal measurement, direction you 
are travelling in degrees, speed worked out constantly, number of satellites 
locked at any given time, is highly intuitive to use and there are many more 
features.

  Licensing:

  TalkNav is proud to offer a life time licence to all its customers for use 
with Wayfinder Access, the life time licence is a licence that gives the user 
unlimited access and use of the software. They can change their phone handset 
whenever they wish as often as they wish.

  NOTE: - The life time licence is a licence for the specific version of 
software that is on public release at the time of purchase. Thus in the future 
a client may need to upgrade their licence to continue to be able to use the 
software on a new phone handset that they purchase. This will only happen when 
for example the licence that they hold for a given version is not compatible 
with their latest new phone handset.

  Additional information about how Wayfinder Access works can be found by 
visiting the pages covering Wayfinder Navigator on our web-site, as Access is 
based on its operation.

  For Wayfinder Access Europe: £259.99, €379.99, $509.99USD.

  For Wayfinder Access USA and Canada: £194.99, €289.99, $379.99USD.

  To find out more or to place an order please click here.
  To join the Wayfinder Access e-mail discussion list click here.
  To read more from the manufacturer's website click here.

  Copyright 2007
  TalkNav

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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net> <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net> 
Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear 
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