Some nice 4 by 4s would look good and you can always put an outlet on one to 
fire up the fridge.  

My impact gun is a Dewalt only because I have the 18 volt batteries already.  
But everyone seems to have one now.  Makita makes a real nice one too with a 
bit more torque than mine.  You can buy them on Amazon where they sell the tool 
only and then you don't have to buy 2 more batteries and a case.  I've gotten 
spoiled with mine because it has variable speed and it doesn't impact until the 
bit stops turning.

So is this loft a place to live if the Vette doesn't do so well?  hahaha
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Larry Stansifer 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:11 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Installing long wood screws


  I fired the vette last night about 11:30PM and I have a vibration in the
  clutch. I think the heroes at hayse got me on the relational balancing of
  the new clutch set. To-day is a work day so probably won't get back to it
  until after Miller time this evening.*/%^ I hope I don't have to pull the
  motor again...
  The loft when I get to it will be 8x24 across one end of the shop. The loft
  floor will be 8 feet off of the deck. I am thinking upright support poles
  coming up from the shop floor at 8 foot intervals. I will only have one in
  head banging position but I can camouflage it with a parts washer or beer
  fridge. In either case I will know exactly where it is.
  I've had one of those hammer drills in my hands and thought they were kind
  of cool but until now couldn't come up with any reason to buy one.
  BTW I told you guys that my cheep and dirty mill table came from "Harbor
  Freight," I lied I bought it from "Pacific Tool Supply in southern
  California.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
  Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:17 AM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Installing long wood screws

  Larry,

  I have fallen in love with the best toy ... tool for sinking those long
  decking screws. I have the Dewalt impact driver. You can put a drill with
  a quarter inch hex shank on it and drill the hole, then switch it to a
  driver bit and run anything home. It has plenty of torque and when the
  screw starts getting tight it will start impacting and extra force from me
  isn't required. You can do the exact same thing with a drill but the longer
  screws do require a bit of force to keep the bit in the screw head.

  The longer screws should have a pilot hole first because they are a bit
  large in the diameter area. And it makes driving them much nicer too.

  As for the joist hangers, I think the jury is still out on them being the
  best. I use to different lengths of 2 by 4 to mount joists, studs or
  rafters. The first one has to be shorter because of the full 1.5 inch width
  of the first joist. Then from there out I use the second length to center
  the rest of them. Nice thing about the 2 by 4 is if you decide to nail the
  wood in place it can't drift sideways while pounding because you'd have to
  compress the 2 by 4. 

  I've heard the double joist every 8 feet before but don't know that I'd
  worry about it. How large of a span are you making the loft? The double
  thing is to put support under it. If you are going across that shop of
  yours, I'd build the loft first and then run an I beam under it to support
  the weight without having all kinds of studs running up to the joists for
  support. A definite distraction to us that don't see them coming.;

  Here's hoping the Vette is finished! 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Larry Stansifer 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:53 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Installing long wood screws

  Hi guys,

  Remember the shop loft we discussed last year that never got done for a
  hole
  bunch of reasons none of which are good?
  Well it and a couple of wood projects are about to bubble to the top in
  08.
  My question for all of you wood guys is, how do I sink those 3+ inch
  decking
  screws making certain that:
  1. they go in straight
  2. making certain that they hit the joists underneath.
  3. are those metal hanger thingies the best way to insure that my joists
  come out 16" on center?
  4. I had some carpenter guy tell me that I needed to double up my joists
  every 8 feet, is this true?
  Wood and I not being the best of friends, this could turn into Americas
  funniest home talking book.

  I will except either good answers or good excuses 

  Keep smiling.

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