I understand that interfearance especially with a guide is annoying, but really, it's way easier to train a dog to ignore stuff than fight with people all the time. As has been said, education is the key, and that's especially true when trying to get clerks to help with tools and supplies, when they're worrying about if the blind guy's gonna hurt himself.
Bill Stephan, Kansas City MO Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (816)803-2469 -original message- Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people From: Scott Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 11/17/2008 13:25 That must be why I've generally had good luck with Home Depot and actually Walmart as well. On Nov 17, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Lee A. Stone wrote: > > well for Home Depot Lenny you could ask to speak to management and > address the issues. letting them know you know they have written > training manuels to handle each area including petting your dog. > Thw woman I know who help write the rules or regs is also a dog guide > user. Lee > > On Mon, Nov 17, > 2008 at 10:31:48AM -0500, Lenny McHugh wrote: > > Lee, Interesting, maybe she wrote a great set of rules too bad > that the > > employees don't read them. Although they are very helpful many of > them try > > to pet or talk to my guide dog. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lee A. Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people > > > > > > > > David, If I may. only one store that I know has actual training to > > work with folks with all sorts of disabilities and that is Home > > Depot we know the woman who help write the training manuel. So all > of > > us in our own way, if needed can continue to educate the public. Lee > > > > > > On > > Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at > > 07:17:57AM -0500, > > David Ferrin wrote: > > > I'm quite sure we all have had experiences good and bad in > dealing with > > > the > > > public. The secret service didn't want me to use my cane in the > white > > > house > > > when we went for a tore in 1997. Never the less suffice it to > say you're > > > going to find such dopes in the most unlikely places even > doctor's offices > > > to mention yet another location. My point is it's fine if you > folks wish > > > to > > > share or more accurately vent a bit, but let's not drag it out > too long is > > > all I ask. Personally I can't stand it when a sales clerk won't > speak to > > > me > > > choosing instead to discuss things with the person I'm with at > the time. > > > It > > > does make it difficult for them when I'm alone in the store or > should I > > > say > > > uncomfortable. > > > David Ferrin > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Think like a man of action, and act like a man of thought. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Betsy Whitney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:06 AM > > > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dealing with people > > > > > > > > > >I lived and shopped in this town for nine years before my now > husband > > > > arrived. All of a sudden the clerks in the stores started > talking to > > > > him. I would hand them my credit card with my name on it which > is > > > > Elizabeth, not easy to confuse with a male, and they would try > to > > > > hand him the slip to sign. He asks, "Isn't it a felony to sign a > > > > credit card slip that isn't mine?" > > > > > > > > Now, we have a system wherein when we go to a store he does > what he > > > > calls "whistling dixie." If a clerk or sales person tries to > talk > > > > with him, he just walks away and starts whistling until I'm > finished. > > > > > > > > One of the other things the clerks did was try to give him my > change > > > > when I paid cash for something. I would ask, "Why is it that the > > > > money came out of my purse and you're giving him my change? As > many > > > > times as I have seen him pay for things, not once have you > ever tried > > > > to give me his change..." > > > > > > > > At 05:53 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > > >>Friends of the order of the Nailing Apron, > > > >>You've probably had experiences similar to mine when I visited > Menards > > > >>yesterday. We picked up supplies to upgrade the kitchen. With > the new > > > >>furnace the chimney is no longer in use. By taking it out I > can adde 24 > > > >>inches of upper and lower cabinets and countertop. Then we'll > upgrade to > > > >>new lights, and llay new vinyl flooring. > > > >>So I needed some screws. It's hard for even my wife the find > the ones I > > > >>want (3 inch, all purpose with a square drive). So I stood in > the screw > > > >>aisle while she went to fetch a sales person. When he came up > to me I > > > >>asked > > > >>him for the xcrews I wanted, and he responded rather rudely, > "You're > > > >>looking > > > >>at them." > > > >>So I lifted up my white cane and said, "I'm sorry , sir, I > can't see > > > >>them." > > > >>Even then he didn't get it. Not until my wife said, "That's > why he > > > >>carries > > > >>a white cane." > > > >>Suddenly the young man became very nice and very helpfully > pulled the > > > >>screws off the shelf and then located the ring shank nails I > need for > > > >>the > > > >>underlayment. "Anything else I can help you with?" > > > >>We went on without him, and did find another store employee > who was very > > > >>helpful in helping us locate the underlayment, plywood and > masonite we > > > >>needed. > > > >>Twice, on previous visits to Menards I have had sales clerks > ask if I > > > >>needed > > > >>to check my white cane. Perhaps it looks a bit like PVC. I > told them I > > > >>had > > > >>already paid for it. > > > >>What shopping stories do you have? > > > >>Blessings, > > > >>Tom > > > >> > > > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To listen to the show archives go to link > > > > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > > > > Or > > > > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > > > > > > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > > > > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > > > > > > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions > From > > > > Various > > > > List Members At The Following address: > > > > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > > > > > > > Visit the archives page at the following address > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > > > > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the > following > > > > address for more information: > > > > http://www.jaws-users.com/ > > > > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind > Handy Man > > > > list just send a blank message to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe > that, > > contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from > houses. > > Really, that's what scientists believe. In fact many scientists > actually > > use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you > visit a > > scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful > fire > > roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking > on how > > cool he is and drinking heavily. > > -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler" > > Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To listen to the show archives go to link > > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > > Or > > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From > Various > > List Members At The Following address: > > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > > > Visit the archives page at the following address > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the > following > > address for more information: > > http://www.jaws-users.com/ > > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind > Handy Man list > > just send a blank message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 3618 (20081117) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > -- > You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe > that, > contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from > houses. > Really, that's what scientists believe. In fact many scientists > actually > use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you > visit a > scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire > roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on > how > cool he is and drinking heavily. > -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler" > Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net > > Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
