Thanks to all who gave advice, I have kept the messages and will read them again as I mess with it. I should have included that I flare half inch copper tubing then cut it off in small little sections to use them as smoke stacks on wooden train engines I make. I will read through the suggestions and keep messing with it. I haven't figured out why some times seem easier than others.
Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
